Pair and good draw vs LAG and tilty small stack

This is a hand my buddy R played while I was away from the table. We talked about it a lot and were kind of up in the air in several areas.

3/6 live game. UTG is drunk, tilty, and on a low stack. She's likely to have just about anything. BB is LAG, very gambling style player and hard to put on a hand. He will raise pf w/any of his premium hands.

UTG limps, Hero limps on B w/A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], SB folds, BB checks. 3.33 sb. Flop:

J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

BB bets, UTG raises and has one sb left, 6.33sbs, Hero?

We already concluded that he should have raised to isolate drunky/tilty as his A8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] probably has her crushed.

I'd like to discuss later parts of the hand after some feedback from this point.

[Piiop]

I'd raise preflop and I'd call the flop raise. I wouldn't want to shut BB out, infact I'd want him to bet on the turn or river when I hit so I can raise and he can call. You may get a discount card if you just call anyway.

[krimson]

Given your description of UTG, i would have raised pre-flop. You likely have the best hand, and she will likely put the rest of her chips with you as the favourite.

oh wait, just noticed you mentioned this yourself later in your post [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Definitely raise this flop when it gets to you. Looots of outs here and it can buy you a free card. If you cold-call, then the BB may just 3-bet UTG all-in or lead into you on the turn. I'd rather raise here and check the turn u/i.

I agree with this line, as the BB is the only player we really stand to gain from either w/the best hand now or when the draw hits.

[cassady]

edit: responded to the wrong post.........

[cassady]

I prefer the 3-bet:

1). Good chance of getting BB to fold a better hand.

2). Better chance at a free card.

3). Even with a LAG, it doesn't feel like a four-bet is coming. Even if it does, we have outs enough to make it not entirely painful.

After already betting, BB is not likely to fold to a reraise back to him (we know this from playing with him for the last 2 hours). He is at least calling 2 more cold. Does this change things?

[shant]

A gambling LAG is not folding a better hand even if you offered to go all-in. Live players hate folding because after the hand they'd have to whine about what they folded and shake their head for the next 20 hands and complain about what a bad dealer this is.

Also, even crap LAGs can tell when you're taking advantage of the guy with eight dollars left and will call with middle-pair-four-kicker because they hate you and their own life.

I'd call because of the reasons Piiop stated.

Ok, I originally liked the call, but after some feedback on here, I'm leaning toward the flop raise. R liked the raise from the start for many of the same reasons. More action:

Hero 3-bets, BB caps, UTG all-in for 1sb

Turn J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], BB bets, 6.5bb.....

[lighterjobs]

I won't ever limp on the button with a suited ace after one limper, it's a fold or raise hand. I also think cold calling the flop after limping on the button is way too weak of a play, so I would raise the flop/call down UI.