44 vs. LPP

UncleSalty · #1 08-23-2005, 12:22 PM

Villain is a delightful 67/3/.8

Should I be raising the turn donk bet for value? Too passive on the river?

Thanks for all comments.

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Preflop: Hero is MP with 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, Hero calls, 2 folds, BB checks.

Flop: (3.33 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, UTG folds, Hero raises, BB calls.

Turn: (3.66 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

River: (5.66 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 5.66 BB

Edit: Thinking about the hand further, I think the best line may be to smooth call the turn and bet the river. I don't want to prematurely fold a worse hand on the turn, and I need to get to a showdown here cheaply if I'm behind. Yes?

Anders_G · #2 08-23-2005, 12:37 PM

i'd prolly fold, given villains passiveness and the small size of the pot.

UncleSalty · #3 08-23-2005, 12:38 PM

Fold flop, or turn?

Danenania · #4 08-23-2005, 12:40 PM

I play it like you did. Unless he never bluffs or bets A-high on paired flops--then you can fold the turn. A river bet has negative value.

Anders_G · #5 08-23-2005, 12:45 PM

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Fold flop, or turn?

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fold turn

Nietzsche · #6 08-23-2005, 12:45 PM

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I play it like you did. Unless he never bluffs or bets A-high on paired flops--then you can fold the turn. A river bet has negative value.

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I don't see how it has negative value. This check screams A high IMO and he will call with that, maybe even K high. If he raises it is an easy fold.

UncleSalty · #7 08-23-2005, 12:50 PM

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I play it like you did. Unless he never bluffs or bets A-high on paired flops--then you can fold the turn. A river bet has negative value.

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I don't see how it has negative value. This check screams A high IMO and he will call with that, maybe even K high. If he raises it is an easy fold.

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This is what I was thinking too. My feeling is that a .8 AF coupled with a VP$IP that high is actually not that passive. As it happens, villains AF is now up to about 1.4 after 50 more hands so my initial read wasn't as trustworthy as I thought.

Villain turned over A5 and MHIG.

Thanks all for the comments.

Danenania · #8 08-23-2005, 12:51 PM

Why does it scream A-high? I think it screams "3 that is afraid of the 6" or "PP that is afraid of the J". His flop and turn bets certainly didn't scream A-high did they?

Nietzsche · #9 08-23-2005, 01:03 PM

Not saying definitely A high, just the chance is somewhat higher than a 3. 3-ways even passives bet A high on a flop like this knowing they likely have the best hand.

Danenania · #10 08-23-2005, 01:10 PM

It's certainly a possibility which is why I plan to see a showdown from the moment of his turn bet. But I don't think he has A-high or worse anywhere close to 50% here when he calls on the river.