KQs -- huge draw in huge pot misses on river -- what's my play?

Hoi Polloi · #1 06-08-2005, 03:38 PM

All players are new to me but seem solid over 5 orbits or so. BB slightly loose and aggressive. CO tightest and most passive.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG 3-bets, Hero calls, MP2 caps, CO calls, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (20.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, MP2 folds, CO calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (14.25 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, CO calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

River: (18.25 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero ???

Final Pot: 20.25 BB

crunchy1 · #2 06-08-2005, 03:43 PM

This is dumb.
EDIT: Sorry for being a prick - but this is really dumb!

joesbarngrill · #3 06-08-2005, 03:56 PM

Eh. Sucks nobodys folding though. You have to just check?

jacattac · #4 06-08-2005, 04:00 PM

First, it should be known that I an only a beginner. With that said, I would fold. You have nothing, and it's very likely that at least on of your opponets holds a 9 for a straight, or at the very least has made 1 or 2 pair, especially since they are calling all of your bets.

I could be wrong though because you hear all the time you should never fold in a large pot if there is a marginal chance that you could win, but I think your pretty much sunk here.

Also, I don't think this is such a dumb question because these situations come up all the time and its hard, especially for someone new to the game, to make the correct call...

PokerSparky · #5 06-08-2005, 04:02 PM

Am I missing something? There are 3 players still with you on the river, you can't bluff them all out.

ghostwriter · #6 06-08-2005, 04:28 PM

Does anyone else check the turn here? It would really suck if it gets raised.

sebastian_d · #7 06-08-2005, 04:34 PM

One less player and you can take a stab if you're familiar with them. It only has to work a bit more than 5% to be profitable, especially since you have no showdown value.

That said, check and lose. It sucks. Life goes on.

jba · #8 06-08-2005, 04:39 PM

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First, it should be known that I an only a beginner. With that said, I would fold. You have nothing, and it's very likely that at least on of your opponets holds a 9 for a straight, or at the very least has made 1 or 2 pair, especially since they are calling all of your bets.

I could be wrong though because you hear all the time you should never fold in a large pot if there is a marginal chance that you could win, but I think your pretty much sunk here.

Also, I don't think this is such a dumb question because these situations come up all the time and its hard, especially for someone new to the game, to make the correct call...

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checking is probably better than folding [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

jba · #9 06-08-2005, 04:47 PM

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Does anyone else check the turn here? It would really suck if it gets raised.

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i don't like checking the turn at all, and I don't think it sucks much at all if you get raised here. You have 15 outs to the nuts, plus some not-so-good looking overcards, you can bet and raise for value against three opponents for sure. Against two you are EV neutral without counting any of your overcard outs. It's worth it if just to try to get the button.

feelixthegreek · #10 06-08-2005, 04:50 PM

Bet only if you think 2/3rds of the remaining players have connection problems and will get check/folded. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]