Unkown donkbets me on turn.

Willluck · #1 06-24-2005, 04:23 PM

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 3 folds, Hero raises, 4 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (5.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero...???

Cumulonimbus · #2 06-24-2005, 04:27 PM

I'd probably stare at the screen until I timed out.

toss · #3 06-24-2005, 04:29 PM

Hahahaah.

Nick C · #4 06-24-2005, 04:31 PM

Yikes. I don't know.

He could've just picked up a draw (though if that draw is A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] or something, you're still beat). Or maybe he has just a weak ace, or he's being straightforward with a turned two pair (or even a straight).

I don't really have a big problem with just folding here, in this small pot. But I can see myself calling too, and I suppose a raise-fold free-showdown line is maybe also something to consider.

To be honest, there's a good chance that what I'd do is just call down, expecting to lose.

Edit: The more I think about the raise-fold free-showdown line, the less I like it here. Villain has donkbet once already, for instance, and it would be annoying to face another one on the river. I doubt he's folding to a turn raise. And if by some chance he did just pick up a draw on the turn, he might bet it again on the river unimproved anyway.

thejameser · #5 06-24-2005, 04:33 PM

to an unknown i would call down.

W. Deranged · #6 06-24-2005, 04:39 PM

Fold.

1. The pot is small. Your effective odds are 5.75 to 2 or
~3 to 1 whether you call down or raise the turn and check behind on the river (I doubt raising the turn and betting the river is much of an option now). You need to be confident that you are ahead 25% of the time to take either line, which I don't think will be the case. I'd fold, because calling down in a tiny pot to get shown A6 would suck.

2. The bet is so strange that it can only represent either extreme craftiness (unlikely) or extreme donkishness. Most often it will be the latter. In my experience, usually this bet is an extremely obvious one (which good players would not likely consider). Namely, the donk is betting out because they made two pair on the turn. The play represents either some kind of (real or attempted) sophistication of play or total lack of sophistication of play, and good players are surprised to see such bizarrely straightforward play. Since the donk bet is so likely to be that (in my opinion), a fold is in order.

ecooke · #7 06-24-2005, 04:39 PM

That 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] puts a lot of draws on the board and the turn bet is bit disorientiting. With an A I'd expect a turn c/r. So, I raise and check the River behind.

akvsaq · #8 06-24-2005, 04:40 PM

No read, I'll call down.
Passive and predictable- I'd raise turn/free show on river fold to 3 bet.
Aggressive player- call down.
Rock- Fold, pot is not that big and he probably has you beat.

aK13 · #9 06-24-2005, 04:45 PM

I'd call down, and get my notes ready.

Willluck · #10 06-24-2005, 05:30 PM

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I'd probably stare at the screen until I timed out.

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That's basically what I almost did.