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View Poll Results: EVr hit a BB JP?
Yes 9 23.68%
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Old 02-19-2005, 01:32 AM
Vern Vern is offline
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Default Queens on the flop

Only 4 hands at the table, never seen UTG before.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $0.5.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">7 folds</font>, UTG calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero ?
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Old 02-19-2005, 01:41 AM
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Default Re: Queens on the flop

You appear to have picked 'PM' instead of 'AM' for your start time.

Heads-up this is a way ahead/behind calldown for me. If the pot were smaller I'd consider a fold, but I think without a preflop cap you're ahead of a smaller PP often enough for it to be worth going to showdown.
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Old 02-19-2005, 01:45 AM
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Default Re: Queens on the flop

Sorry, I didn't change the times, just the dates. I will pay more attention next time.
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Old 02-19-2005, 02:03 AM
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Default Re: Queens on the flop

UTG would likely raise AK, AQ, maybe AJ here.

He'd raise jacks and tens, and be less likely to cap those.

He'd cap KK and AA, almost definitely.

He might cap AK as well.

I put UTG on AJ/AQ. AJ is more likely for obvious reasons.

I think I fold this flop.
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Old 02-19-2005, 02:14 AM
Kumubou Kumubou is offline
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Default Re: Queens on the flop

I'm having a hard time thinking of any starting hand one would take a raise/call line with -- if you're raising UTG, you'll probably re-raise that hand. Regardless, he probably has something like AKs-ATs, KQs-KTs, QJs, AKo, or AQo. (AA-TT is getting reraised on sight, but maybe he's passive like that) You're behind all of those hands except QJ (and JJ/TT).

So, uh, fold? Or is that too weak-tight?

-K
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Old 02-19-2005, 02:31 AM
ArturiusX ArturiusX is offline
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Default Re: Queens on the flop

Unlucky flop, either a A or a K in UTG's hand has you drawing to 2 outs.

Thats too likely, so I fold.
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Old 02-19-2005, 03:59 AM
DontRaisePlz DontRaisePlz is offline
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Default Re: Queens on the flop

If villain bets all the way, you're getting about 2.6-1 odds to call down. Which is really around 3.5-1 with the realistic possibility of a check. I don't think QQ is good 30% of the time, so I just fold.
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Old 02-19-2005, 04:36 AM
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Default Re: Queens on the flop

I would fold

Brad
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Old 02-19-2005, 06:07 AM
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Default Re: Queens on the flop

Not accepting votes? But I want to vote now, damnit. I fold.
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Old 02-19-2005, 01:11 PM
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Default Re: Queens on the flop

i thought i responded.. i played with pokerstove and if he has a 2+2 raising range, he'd have to bet 99/TT all the way for you to turn a profit. not going to happen. he'll have a smaller range and not bet the worst hands. fold.
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