take the free card or bet again?

Wondering how correct my taking the free card was on the turn here. My river bet was of course not only for a free card but also for value, with my two overs, a gutshot, and a b/d flush draw; but should the second 9 scare me much against two players? With this coordinated flop, I feel they could easily be on draws so maybe I should bet the turn?


Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (4 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks.

River: (4 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds.

Final Pot: 5 BB

[numeri]

Postflop looks fine to me, but I might take too many free cards. Preflop, though, you should raise this against typical 0.5/1 oponents. You probably have the best hand, and it might buy you the button.

Also, if you'd raised pre-flop, you might have less still with you on the turn. If it were heads-up, I bet again for fold equity.

Preflop: Raise
Flop: Since you didn't raise preflop, I don't know why we're betting this coordinated flop. Check and hope to hit your gutshot. If you did raise it preflop though, I would bet.
Turn: I'll probably fire again, but this is the last money I'm putting into this pot unimproved (although I guess if I get check raised on the turn I'll have to call to try and hit my gutshot).

[ThaHero]

At MP3 I raise this Preflop everytime. I even raise this from UTG in a lot of .50/1 games.

I don't mind the free-card play. You had so many outs but you don't want to pump up the pot for someone else, and getting raised here would be sorta bad.

I raise preflop with KQ in MP.

I bet the Flop and bet the river.

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Postflop looks fine to me, but I might take too many free cards. Preflop, though, you should raise this against typical 0.5/1 oponents. You probably have the best hand, and it might buy you the button.

Also, if you'd raised pre-flop, you might have less still with you on the turn. If it were heads-up, I bet again for fold equity.

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Yes, I contemplated raising preflop, if I were the CO or button I would have, but something about trying to fold out 4 players to isolate the limper seemed like an unlikely result.

[numeri]

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Preflop, though, you should raise this against typical 0.5/1 oponents. You probably have the best hand, and it might buy you the button.

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Yes, I contemplated raising preflop, if I were the CO or button I would have, but something about trying to fold out 4 players to isolate the limper seemed like an unlikely result.

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Bolded my earlier comments for emphasis. You're not trying to fold out 4 players. You're raising because
1) You probably have a better hand than the limpers and blinds.
2) You can buy the button.
3) It gives you momentum going in to the flop.

Wow, didn't expect so many prelop raise requests. I understand the reasoning, but I'm looking to fold four players (button, CO, and the blinds), so is it still a profitable play? I suppose folding any ace-rags is a good idea, and buying the button+showing aggression.....I suppose you guys are right.

Yes, this is becoming clear to me now. Thanks

[deception5]

Not to beat a dead horse here, but remember you don't need to fold everyone preflop. You just would like the button and co to fold, buying the button is huge as you can often pick up the pot after the flop based on your position alone.