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Re: OESD
I'd fold. The 8's are good most of the time, but the K is going to lead to a chop a lot, and also lead to losing to a boat sometimes. Weak-tight players here have a lot of this board. You may even be drawing only to a chop if someone has KJ or something. Your odds are slim, and your implied odds aren't great either, both b/c a K puts a 4-straight out and b/c you'll lose some decent portion of the time you hit.
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Re: OESD
A pretty easy fold here, its a small pot, a lot of your outs are dirty and a check raise isnt going to fold two players that have already bet/called (even though they are weak) nearly enough times to be profitable.
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