Another simple 3/6 hand played like a wuss -- suggestions?

Proofrock · #1 09-10-2005, 03:21 PM

No real reads on Villain except for his stats (19.4/2.8 after a mere 40 hands, postflop aggression of 1.0), I need help playing draws. Particularly in the following situation, my straight hit at the same time a flush hit. How aggressively do you play this? Specific questions on the hand:
(1) Preflop limp okay?
(2) Flop raise seems clear here, but if I'm wrong, tell me why.
(3) Turn: I expect to be told I should raise the turn. Any worries about the flush? In retrospect, Villain bet/calling the flop and then leading the turn seems more like a pair with a single spade to me than a made flush. At any rate, this is my biggest question -- how do I play the turn and why?

Thanks.

-cj

PokerStars 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
4 folds, MP2 calls, Hero calls, 1 fold, Button calls, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: (4.33 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, MP2 bets, Hero raises, Button folds, BB folds, MP2 calls.

Turn: (4.16 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 bets, Hero calls.

River: (6.16 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.16 BB

Results in white below: 
MP2 has Js Jh (three of a kind, jacks).
Hero has Th Qd (straight, queen high).
Outcome: Hero wins 8.16 BB.

shant · #2 09-10-2005, 03:55 PM

You should raise the turn. If he 3-bets you, you can decide by reads on how aggressive he is, and whether or not he would only 3-bet the turn with a flush. I would usually cap the turn, and call the river if he continues to bet, and bet if checked to.

Bodhi · #3 09-10-2005, 03:57 PM

Fold preflop. QTo sucks.

On the turn, raise. Of course there's a possible flush, but what reason do you have to fear it? Absolutely none: raise.
On the river, raise.

four eight suited · #4 09-10-2005, 04:00 PM

Does anyone like calling the flop so you might be able to keep the other two players in? Either way im definitely raising the turn and betting the river

Harv72b · #5 09-10-2005, 04:37 PM

Fold preflop. If your QT were sooted, I'd consider raising to buy the button & isolate on the openlimper.

I like the flop raise. You represent a made hand vs. a draw (which improves your implied odds when you hit), and raising can buy you outs vs. a better Q; it can also knock out single spades that might have had a redraw on you. And it offers the possibility of a free card when you knock out the button.

I'm torn on the turn play because your opponent seems reasonable, albeit over a small sample. Raising the turn could get him to just throw away a weaker hand, while flat calling could encourage him to bet the river as well. OTOH, if he did pick up a pair + draw, he will obviously call the raise and probably call a river bet given the size of the pot. For that reason, I favor a raise--if he 3-bets me, I'm calling down.

Don't include results in your original post--it can affect the advice you get. I didn't look at them yet.

Okay, now I looked at them...I was thinking he had JTs (not spades), but top set would have been even better for you as he would certainly have at least called down after a turn raise.

neuroman · #6 09-10-2005, 04:41 PM

1) Fold preflop.
2) Raise turn.
3) MP2 provides a wonderful example of how not to play jacks.

Smokey98 · #7 09-10-2005, 06:46 PM

Ditto what neuroman said. Fold PF, raise from turn on.

lufbradolly · #8 09-10-2005, 06:53 PM

Personally i'd fold this preflop i'd want another limper in front but i don't think thats a big deal.

You gotta raise that turn and if he 3 bets then i'd call down but i think folding to a turn 3 bet is ok as well but i think you gotta raise that turn.