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Old 12-10-2005, 09:41 PM
Fabian Fabian is offline
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To me it feels like not capping preflop is a pretty significant error.
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Old 12-10-2005, 09:55 PM
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To me it feels like not capping preflop is a pretty significant error.

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this guy has 8% pfr. thats like super small. and this is a 3bet. that means a lot. it means he has monster.

now my hand is pretty good but its proly not the best and lots of flops are super bad. so are lots of turns and rivers. i really want to get the button out if i can. best way is to smooth call pf and raise favorable flops.

now i protect my hand and i can get away from bad flops.
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Old 12-11-2005, 04:13 AM
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this guy has 8% pfr. thats like super small. and this is a 3bet. that means a lot. it means he has monster.

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so you would have folded to the flop 3 bet then without the BD draw?
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Old 12-11-2005, 04:16 AM
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no. im never folding to the flop 3bet on similar boards.

my opponent is talking to me. i dont believe him on the flop. im not gonna believe him on the turn either. but i think he will speak the truth on the river.
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Old 12-11-2005, 04:24 AM
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my opponent is talking to me. i dont believe him on the flop. im not gonna believe him on the turn either. but i think he will speak the truth on the river.

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If you believe that he can 3 bet the flop and lead the turn with an unpaired hand there's no reason to believe that he's going to magically stop on the river. This is one of those scenarios where your brain registers winning 1 out of 10 as "never". Once you make it this far you really can't fold.
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Old 12-11-2005, 04:31 AM
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my opponent is talking to me. i dont believe him on the flop. im not gonna believe him on the turn either. but i think he will speak the truth on the river.

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so he will only 3 bet a total monster PF, but he will 3 bet the flop OOP with less than the goods? I dont think those 2 statements work well together.
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Old 12-10-2005, 09:50 PM
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I'm fine with not capping pre-flop. Sometimes I cap and sometimes I don't. Certain players wil fold for two more pre-flop on a Button steal, and certain players won't. I'd make my decision on whether to cap or not based on (1) perceived opening range, (2) likelihood of Button folding for two more, and, as important if not more so, (3) how I think my cap would influence the flop play -- i.e., if I knew SB would always lead after getting called (and Button didn't cap most everything he steals with when 3-bet), then I'd rather SB have the flop lead. If there was a decent chance that Button would fold to the cap, I'd fire away.

I play it the same post-flop. I think I could make an argument for folding the river when it blanks - looking at this hand alone - but I think it's worth the BB to see a showdown (and almost surely lose) then play the hand as you did and fold the river. This sounds a bit goofy as I write it, so I'll think about it a little more.
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Old 12-10-2005, 11:06 PM
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perfect imho, but i am awful.
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Old 12-10-2005, 11:17 PM
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seriously guys this is like the easiest river fold eva.

people calling the river pls put this guy on a hand i beat?
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Old 12-10-2005, 11:42 PM
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seriously guys this is like the easiest river fold eva.

people calling the river pls put this guy on a hand i beat?

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Did you read my post? If so, can you respond to it? If not, can you read it [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

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