Odd TP hand

#1 12-21-2005, 07:55 AM

Reads: The original PFR is playing tight, 20/9 over 66 hands and has shown only quality hands, seems generally solid but can be pushed off hands. The flop min-raiser could well be doing this with complete air or a set, and I've seen him do both (the set slowed down on a flush, while his air pushed a very frightening board w/callers).

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

Hero ($58)
CO ($88.40)
Button ($103)
SB ($40.40)
BB ($20.55)
UTG ($84.25)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG raises to $1.5, Hero calls $1.50, 1 fold, Button calls $1.50, 1 fold, BB calls $1.

Flop: ($6.25) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $6, Hero calls $6, Button raises to $12, BB folds, UTG calls $6, Hero calls $6.

Turn: ($42.25) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, Button bets $20.5, UTG calls $20.50, Hero ???

xorbie · #2 12-21-2005, 08:22 AM

i see three places to fold here.

#3 12-21-2005, 08:32 AM

I agree with xorbie but if you're going to play this you're being way to passive. You need to be the one raising this flop. Make it $18 and fold to any reraise. Proceed with caution if you're called.

#4 12-21-2005, 08:39 AM

Pre-flop, the min-reraise and the turn? And I'm guessing the reason for each is UTG. The flop call was made thinking it would be HU or 3-way and the flop call was because his reraise range was simply far too large for me to fold, but UTG calling says he has at least TP. By the turn, the size of the pot had me thinking even TPGK was worth enough if I could take it down.

xorbie · #5 12-21-2005, 08:46 AM

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Pre-flop, the min-reraise and the turn?

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correct. preflop i fold 100%. flop the original call is fine, but once there's a raise and call you are drawing to 5 outs at best and dead somewhat often. turn call would just suck.

#6 12-21-2005, 08:51 AM

With TPGK against a pre-flop raiser, my thoughts are I should be calling down reasonable sized raises, although raising to isolate here makes sense. Would you then say check turn and call a reasonable bet on the river, or would you recommend leading myself (a 2/3 pot-sized bet would leave me with $10 behind, so a turn bet would basically be a push)? What if the button comes along for the ride? If both of them call, then any reasonable turn bet is a push.

unlucky513 · #7 12-21-2005, 10:33 AM

easy fold

GrunchCan · #8 12-21-2005, 11:42 AM

I like to say "there is no always in poker," but I might be close to correct if I make an exception here:

Never coldcall preflop with KQ. I almost always fold. If I continue, I always raise.

orange · #9 12-21-2005, 03:41 PM

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Reads: The original PFR is playing tight, 20/9 over 66 hands and has shown only quality hands, seems generally solid

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Fold PF.

ajmargarine · #10 12-21-2005, 04:11 PM

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Never coldcall preflop with KQ. I almost always fold. If I continue, I always raise.

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I'd fold or raise in OP's position. If I were button, and all the inbetween guys folded, given that UTG can be moved off of hands, a call would be OK in my book.