99 5-10 6 max

mike l. · #1 03-21-2005, 08:10 PM

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (6.40 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (4.70 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG calls.

River: (10.70 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 10.70 BB

rory · #2 03-21-2005, 08:12 PM

Bet the river.

SomethingClever · #3 03-21-2005, 08:14 PM

Do you fold to a 3-bet on the turn?

I'm weak/tight but I just calldown on the double scare card like that.

PassiveCaller · #4 03-21-2005, 08:23 PM

Even with the BB cold calling the turn?

I actually like the line as is. With that scary turn you could easily freeze some hands that beat you and still get good value and show it down.

mike l. · #5 03-21-2005, 08:28 PM

"Do you fold to a 3-bet on the turn?"

yes

MAxx · #6 03-21-2005, 08:31 PM

i think if you are raising here, which I like if you intend on calling down as an alternative, which you probably were...

with that line of thought SomethingClever... i think you gotta fold to a 3bet on the turn. You probably wouldnt make this play against someone capable of 3betting you with a worse hand as a bluff or on a draw.

i have raised the turn to protect hand and charge draws.
i then check river... am ready to show down and dont want to risk anymore bets on this board. missed draws will not call. sure some lesser made hands may call... but it appears thin to me at first glance. i would hate getting cr'd on this river. i wouldnt really like getting called by a better hand either.

i dont know rory.... care to provide river thoughts?

flawless_victory · #7 03-21-2005, 08:41 PM

i would bet the river.

Danenania · #8 03-21-2005, 09:03 PM

I like this line. Don't mind the river check though it depends some on how bad BB and UTG are.

rory · #9 03-21-2005, 09:04 PM

I think it is unlikely that anyone has the 8 because both players just called the flop, no raises. So I'm not that worried about an 8. I think the BB probably has a big club he is drawing to. The random bet out when the board pairs by UTG usually means that he has a baby pair and thinks it is good because the top card paired and doesn't want to give a free card, or some random weird bluff because it was a scary card. These guys won't fold if you raise them when they do this if they have a pair. It's no secret a liar doesn't believe anyone else.

Either way, once nobody 3 bets on the turn I think my hand is good on the river and I am going to value bet. I expect the BB to fold and UTG to call me with some small sort of pair. If either of them raises the river, I bail. It is possible that UTG has the 8 and is scared of the flush, or the BB is slowplaying quads or a boat or something wacky like that. But far more often you get paid off by UTGs pair of 4s or whatever to make a bet worth it IMO. I suck though.

Danenania · #10 03-21-2005, 09:06 PM

Good analysis but I think quite a few players would take UTG's line with a weak 8, maybe even a strong one.