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Old 12-31-2005, 02:11 AM
ryanghall ryanghall is offline
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Default 2/4 Folding a flush when board pairs on river

Villain is 30/6/3 By the river, I figured I was ahead of exactly a bluff and that's it. Is it ok? What do you put him on?

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MP2 ($379.75)
CO ($345.50)
Button ($262)
Hero ($382)
BB ($800.55)
UTG ($460.90)
UTG+1 ($442.95)
MP1 ($153.50)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls $4, UTG+1 calls $4, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls $4, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($20) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets $8</font>, Button calls $8, Hero calls $8, BB folds, UTG calls $8.

Turn: ($52) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $40</font>, UTG calls $40, UTG+1 folds, Button folds.

River: ($132) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $100</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $232
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Old 12-31-2005, 02:33 AM
wdeadwyler wdeadwyler is offline
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Default Re: 2/4 Folding a flush when board pairs on river

I think you played this hand like crap. Villain could have AA, JA, (w/ a missed club), who knows. Id either block this river or c/call depending on my opponent's tendencies, but usually I block (value?) bet.
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Old 12-31-2005, 02:37 AM
ryanghall ryanghall is offline
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Default Re: 2/4 Folding a flush when board pairs on river

AA? He played this hand immensely strangely if he had AA. Certainly not like a player with his aggression statistics would.

AJ seems at first glance a possibility, but I highly doubt he'd check the flop and then call a small bet on the flop with it, again, especially not with his aggression rating.

It seems to me that he either has a flush, which is most likely higher than mine, or a slowplayed set turned into a full house. Even aggressive players tend to slowplay sets at times, but rarely top pair.

Ryan
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Old 12-31-2005, 02:55 AM
wdeadwyler wdeadwyler is offline
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Default Re: 2/4 Folding a flush when board pairs on river

I wasnt really trying to predict his hand so much as demonstrate his range is still pretty wide on the river. I agree AA is unlikely.
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Old 12-31-2005, 05:05 AM
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Default Re: 2/4 Folding a flush when board pairs on river

I'd lead the turn a little larger. I was contemplating a turn check/push here, but there are two very obvious risks here that make it not the best line.
As played, I think I lead the turn for 1/2 pot and fold to a raise. Give yourself a chance to win the pot at least.
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Old 12-31-2005, 07:05 AM
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Default Re: 2/4 Folding a flush when board pairs on river

I prob call river. I'm usually willing to call 25bb on river bet that's less than pot, even with paired board. He could have AcTd, or KcJh type hand.
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Old 12-31-2005, 07:56 AM
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Default Re: 2/4 Folding a flush when board pairs on river

If Villain is any good his flop bet tells us a lot about his hand. He's not protecting against the flush draw, he is either trying to get a cheap flush card or hoping he get raised if he has a set. You are behind both hands.
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Old 12-31-2005, 08:24 AM
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Default Re: 2/4 Folding a flush when board pairs on river

He didn't bet the flop.
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Old 12-31-2005, 08:31 AM
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Default Re: 2/4 Folding a flush when board pairs on river

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He didn't bet the flop.

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Misread sorry. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]
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Old 12-31-2005, 10:09 AM
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Default Re: 2/4 Folding a flush when board pairs on river

I really think that villain would have ck raised/led with a set on that flush draw flop. Therefore, I think if he is beating you, he has a higher flush most of the time.

This is very read dependent, but I think you are good here enuf to make the call on the river...
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