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Old 12-28-2005, 02:23 AM
wdeadwyler wdeadwyler is offline
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I think villain could of easily backdoored into a flush with hearts and think you have a king or something. Is he the type to semibluff this turn? He could also have something like AQs and have thought his hand was best.
I'd put him on QQ, a flush, or trips kings most likely (It is weird to check the kings twice I agree).
I dont like folding here to an unknown, you said you only hand 30 hands on him. What does the massive overbet from this player make you think?
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Old 12-28-2005, 02:26 AM
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Can you explain your reasoning for the small turn bet? Was it to induce action? I think I 3-bet this turn. River is tough.
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Old 12-28-2005, 02:29 AM
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What does the massive overbet from this player make you think?

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At .5/1 I find it is usually close to the nuts (atleast at party).
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Old 12-28-2005, 02:55 AM
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I'm betting the turn a little harder and sure as hell 3-betting
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Old 12-28-2005, 12:00 PM
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I'm betting the turn a little harder and sure as hell 3-betting

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it seems so obvious the guy has KK or QQ, 3beting is ...bah
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Old 12-28-2005, 12:05 PM
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Can you explain your reasoning for the small turn bet? Was it to induce action? I think I 3-bet this turn. River is tough.

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It was a stupid turn bet. I think I should have checked the turn and called any river. I was trying to bet an amount that AK-AQ could call down, and still get away from KK-QQ. I don't understand why everyone wants to go broke on this hand... Whould someone really play AK or AQ this way? AA is possible, but KK-QQ seems way more likely.
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Old 12-28-2005, 12:15 PM
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I was originally going to say 3-bet the turn, but then I reconsidered after reading Fallen Hero's post. Now I put the opponent's range at: AA, KK, QQ or AK. Each equally possible.

AA = 6 ways
KK = 3 ways
QQ = 3 ways
AK = 16 ways

So, there are 22 hands you beat, and 6 which beat you.

This sounds like value-bet time to me. Which brings me back to 3-betting.

Who agrees or disagrees with my range & my line?
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Old 12-28-2005, 12:23 PM
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I was originally going to say 3-bet the turn, but then I reconsidered after reading Fallen Hero's post. Now I put the opponent's range at: AA, KK, QQ or AK. Each equally possible.

AA = 6 ways
KK = 3 ways
QQ = 3 ways
AK = 16 ways

So, there are 22 hands you beat, and 6 which beat you.

This sounds like value-bet time to me. Which brings me back to 3-betting.

Who agrees or disagrees with my range & my line?

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even if they are all equally possible I think AK and AA fold to a turn 3bet while KK and QQ stack you, so I don't think there's any value in that.

PS: I don't think they are equally possible but it isn't an easy situation to quantify so I'd probably just do the same math you did and keep a mental note that the situation isn't as favorable as the math will show
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Old 12-28-2005, 12:28 PM
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I think AK and AA fold to a turn 3bet

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How often?
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Old 12-28-2005, 12:42 PM
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I think AK and AA fold to a turn 3bet

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How often?

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well, I'd fold 100% (unless I had AKh, wich we know by the river villain doesn't have). If I have to give a number I'd say at least 75% of villains fold AK and AA here, do you disagree?
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