Help with a couple of goofy hands from my last session.

KSOT · #1 07-17-2005, 05:24 AM

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) http://216.119.70.224/converter/hhconverter.pl

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, 5 folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, Button folds, SB folds.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

River: (9.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, BB folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.50 BB

What would your play be on that hand?

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Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (8 handed) http://216.119.70.224/converter/hhconverter.pl

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, Hero raises, 3 folds, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, Button calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls, Button raises, UTG folds, Hero calls.

River: (10.75 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12.75 BB

Naturally I got really worried on the turn after tigger's raise, but I decided to call down anyway. I only had about 30 hands of info on tigger, but he was a fish so far. Should I have raised or folded there?

TwoShedsJackson · #2 07-17-2005, 06:27 AM

Hand 1 I raise the turn, you only have two opponents and there's only three cards they can have that you lose to at present. I definitely bet the river, if I had the best hand on the turn I still have the best hand now so get another bet in.

Hand 2 I would probably play the same, calling down feels weak but this is a pretty bad board for an overpair. Pot's definitely big enough to call on the end.

Fantam · #3 07-17-2005, 06:48 AM

Hand:1

This hand looks quite tricky and it would have helped to have some kind of reads on your opponents.

I would have raised on the flop. Thats because its unlikely that anyone already had a made flush and I might still have the best hand if no one had a Q. I would not expect anyone with the A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img],K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] to fold, but would hope to fold any other lone overcards to my pair.

After the turn, I would probably call down unless I thought that BB was normally a tight and passive player.

Hand:2

I would have folded to the turn raise. Even if button was a fish, I would consider it most likely that he had trip Q's here.

@bsolute_luck · #4 07-17-2005, 08:15 AM

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I would have raised on the flop. Thats because its unlikely that anyone already had a made flush and I might still have the best hand if no one had a Q. I would not expect anyone with the A ,K or J to fold, but would hope to fold any other lone overcards to my pair.

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bad idea. he most likely in fact to have the Q, so clearing any A-J is pretty pointless as you'll have to get your flush, trips, or goofy straight (J and 9) to win.

i don't know if i'd raise the turn as we could still be behind, but i would definitely bet the river when checked to.

Hand #2: i would have raised UTG's donkbet on the turn if Button 3-bets, i probably would hit the fold button.

thesharpie · #5 07-17-2005, 08:26 AM

I play the flop and turn the same in hand one. I don't raise the flop because our hand is very marginal and I don't expect to win unimproved, you could also get 3 bet by a draw here which might cause you to misplay it later. You're not protecting against a higher flush anyway. On the turn I go for the overcall in case BB has me beat. I bet the river when checked to.

Hand 2 I have to call down as there's plenty of semi bluffing opportunities. Against a lose passive fish who wouldn't do this without a Q you could fold.

KSOT · #6 07-17-2005, 04:11 PM

Some results in white.

 Hand 1 -- UTG+1 scooped the pot with K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. I had a feeling.

Hand 2 -- Button did indeed have Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. I guess he didn't show strangth on the flop due to his weak kicker.

Saint_D · #7 07-18-2005, 01:18 AM

Hand one.
Flop: Raise. (or fold if you think UTG is tight). Protect your tens and possibly clean up higher [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]s. That very well may have folded UTG+1. Your worst nightmare card is the Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. You won't ever fold that card, and you lose if you hit the baby flush. Other than that, you have a decent chance redraw on the other 3 Qs and to fold out higher [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]s.

UTG+1 very well may have folded. Then you could have checked behind BB if the heart missed.

Turn: Raise. You might fold out a K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

River: I don't think you should have gotten here like this. I don't have any advice for you.

Hand 2. Turn: UTG says "I have a queen!". You say "Crud, I hope he is lying". Button says "I have a higher queen." UTG: "Oops, I guess I just had a jack after all." You: "CRUD!". You probably should have released it here, but I don't have a strong opinion on this.