HH from Stars 100+9 - Page 3

Roman · #21 12-06-2005, 04:36 PM

Without reading what you said, I know what you mean and agree with your point. My point is that against me for example, that move would be totally reckless and terribly -EV.

#22 12-06-2005, 04:36 PM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (8 handed) converter

BB (t3520)
UTG (t6697)
UTG+1 (t7927)
MP1 (t6513)
MP2 (t1595)
Hero (t2828)
Button (t4382)
SB (t6419)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls t200, 1 fold, Hero raises to t2828, 3 folds, MP1 folds.

Final Pot: t3328

Don't you want to get more money with this hand or you find it very hard to play and may have to lay down the best hand?

Personnaly, I would have raised to 800 and play it from there, however, the way you played it is fine too, but you will only get called by better PP or 2 higher cards...

By the way, I understand your thinking when you puched with KQ and AT, but why don't you try to play a good hand with AK instead of pushing... Maybe it's the same thing and they were very agressive post-flop but with very strong hand I try to extract more money...

Thanks for posting this and I hope more players will do...

KneeCo · #23 12-06-2005, 04:42 PM

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (9 handed) converter

UTG (t1466)
UTG+1 (t2375)
Hero (t1803)
MP2 (t2427)
MP3 (t1324)
CO (t3205)
Button (t2690)
SB (t2005)
BB (t1490)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to t300, 2 folds, CO calls t300, 3 folds.

Flop: (t750) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t400, CO folds.

Final Pot: t1150

What was your plan if he called and another blank hits? if a K or Q hits?
What about if he would have raised all-in?

I like these play when they work, but I sometime loose a big amount of my stack...

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This seems like a perfectly standard cont. bet IMO.
If you get raised you probably have to let it go unless you gave a strong read.
If you get called you may be getting into dark tunnel territory if you fire again at the turn unimproved (again, assuming no read).
If you get called and turn a non-club Q, probably be a good time for a CR.

#24 12-06-2005, 04:43 PM

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (8 handed) converter

UTG+1 (t2770)
MP1 (t5947)
MP2 (t8277)
CO (t5335)
Button (t4580)
Hero (t3178)
BB (t4037)
UTG (t3504)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
6 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t475) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t400, BB raises to t1800, Hero raises to t2953, BB calls t1153.

Turn: (t6381) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t6381) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t6381

Vilain had Kc5c

Was that an easy call/raise (hope not)? the overbet, could have been a flush draw but since the top pair was not suited, it could have been a top pair mid-kicker + flush draw hand that crushed you... Was it read specific? Could also be a QJ or Q9 so top-pair with a gut-shot...

I would have folded, but it was a good move to go all-in. This is one of the key hands I think... The other players started to fear you and didn't try to bluff you anymore.

#25 12-06-2005, 04:47 PM

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t3000 (8 handed) converter

CO (t40120)
Hero (t146126)
SB (t6438)
BB (t65614)
UTG (t20795)
UTG+1 (t26482)
MP1 (t76145)
MP2 (t33780)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
5 folds, Hero raises to t9000, 1 fold, BB calls t6000.

Flop: (t16050) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (t16050) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets t6000, Hero raises to t15000, BB raises to t30000, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t61050

I think that it was a good fold, however is there a way you could have played it better? Was the turn raise a good thing? What do you think he had? A10 or 2 pairs or a set or a slowplayed flush? What rang a bell for you? Is it the raise to 30,000, would a smaller/larger raise have been called?

Once again Thanks for posting this and Congrats. Hope this is going to help you in your career.

GL

#26 12-06-2005, 04:58 PM

If he raises all-in, there will be 750 + 400 + 1103 = 2253. It costs 1103 to call which is 1 : 2.04 . With 6 outs you have around 25% chance of winnning. But if Vilain is doing that with the flush draw, you are way ahead, so I was wondering if he planned to call a raise in this situation.

I like to do continuation bet with a good stack because it is easier to let it go after you get raised but in that case, you are below average and need to get some chips. The average after 1 hour is around 3000 and you would have 1103 left... not that great.

Rizen · #27 12-06-2005, 05:03 PM

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t3000 (8 handed) converter

CO (t40120)
Hero (t146126)
SB (t6438)
BB (t65614)
UTG (t20795)
UTG+1 (t26482)
MP1 (t76145)
MP2 (t33780)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
5 folds, Hero raises to t9000, 1 fold, BB calls t6000.

Flop: (t16050) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (t16050) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets t6000, Hero raises to t15000, BB raises to t30000, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t61050

I think that it was a good fold, however is there a way you could have played it better? Was the turn raise a good thing? What do you think he had? A10 or 2 pairs or a set or a slowplayed flush? What rang a bell for you? Is it the raise to 30,000, would a smaller/larger raise have been called?

Once again Thanks for posting this and Congrats. Hope this is going to help you in your career.

GL

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Against this particular player I checked behind on the flop with the intent to raise any non-diamond turn. The fact that a T flopped was a bit of a bonus. This particular player seemed to like to CR a lot of flops and lead a lot of turns when checked.

In hindsight, I think I might have overthought this particular hand, but that was my thought process at the time this hand happened. It was also an attempt to mix up my game a little bit that failed.

-Rizen

Rizen · #28 12-06-2005, 05:13 PM

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (8 handed) converter

BB (t3520)
UTG (t6697)
UTG+1 (t7927)
MP1 (t6513)
MP2 (t1595)
Hero (t2828)
Button (t4382)
SB (t6419)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls t200, 1 fold, Hero raises to t2828, 3 folds, MP1 folds.

Final Pot: t3328

Don't you want to get more money with this hand or you find it very hard to play and may have to lay down the best hand?

Personnaly, I would have raised to 800 and play it from there, however, the way you played it is fine too, but you will only get called by better PP or 2 higher cards...

By the way, I understand your thinking when you puched with KQ and AT, but why don't you try to play a good hand with AK instead of pushing... Maybe it's the same thing and they were very agressive post-flop but with very strong hand I try to extract more money...

Thanks for posting this and I hope more players will do...

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I actually think the way I played this hand was horrible. I don't remember the exact situation so I can't remember why I did this, but I can't imagine many situations where this would have been right for me to do.

-Rizen

Rizen · #29 12-06-2005, 05:18 PM

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One more :

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (8 handed) converter

UTG+1 (t2770)
MP1 (t5947)
MP2 (t8277)
CO (t5335)
Button (t4580)
Hero (t3178)
BB (t4037)
UTG (t3504)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
6 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t475) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t400, BB raises to t1800, Hero raises to t2953, BB calls t1153.

Turn: (t6381) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t6381) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t6381

Vilain had Kc5c

Was that an easy call/raise (hope not)? the overbet, could have been a flush draw but since the top pair was not suited, it could have been a top pair mid-kicker + flush draw hand that crushed you... Was it read specific? Could also be a QJ or Q9 so top-pair with a gut-shot...

I would have folded, but it was a good move to go all-in. This is one of the key hands I think... The other players started to fear you and didn't try to bluff you anymore.

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This was not an easy push and I think it was marginal. To be fair though, in a blind battle I think his range is fairly wide (if I were him, I'd probably raise with middle pair + an overcard, a draw, and lots of other hands I'm currently ahead of).

BTW, these hands aren't being converted correctly. The pot sizes aren't including all of the antes and the final pot size through the converter does not match the one in my HH.

-Rizen

Rizen · #30 12-06-2005, 05:33 PM

Thanks for the HH review guys. One thing I think that has been made obvious to me as you all look through my HH is that I think I am often using all in as a crutch with some of my more difficult hands once I get to ~10 M. Some of this I think is due to the fact that I've been running very hot lately (sometimes I tend to play more aggressively when I'm feeling invincible), and some of it is perhaps an excuse to not have to play post flop poker with tricky hands. I do think with some hands (particularly the JJ one) I'm leaving some value on the table though. At the very least the posts have had me re-evaluate some of my decisions and that alone has been very helpful.

-Rizen