Standard fold here?

[Rizen]

By way of edit: This is the 4th hand of the tournament. First 2 hands were family pots with 5-6 limpers. Haven't seen much aggression yet, but no reads on the table at all.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG+1 (t1480)
Hero (t1640)
MP2 (t1630)
CO (t1580)
Button (t1450)
SB (t1260)
BB (t1000)
UTG (t1960)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to t80</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t240</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to t1480</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t1750

-Rizen

[Exitonly]

i'm.. probably calling there. what buyin is it? JJ and AK do that more than AA/KK do.

[Rizen]

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i'm.. probably calling there. what buyin is it? JJ and AK do that more than AA/KK do.

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This is the 150+12 on Stars.

-Rizen

[A_Junglen]

I'm not that anxious to get myself in a coinflip or worse...I'd fold

[KneeCo]

I don't if I would say it's 'standard', but I do think it's a good fold. Close, but a good lay down.

Exit, I'm a little surprised you call here if you fold the Queens in the hypothetical from Matt's Cardplayer article.


equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 47.3659 % [ 00.46 00.02 ] { QdQc }
Hand 2: 52.6341 % [ 00.51 00.02 ] { AA-JJ, AKs, AKo }

[Exitonly]

in the Matt Matros article there wasn't 480 in the pot already.
we're getting 1.4:1 here. Big difference.

edit: i should say, my problem with the mattros hand isn't that we're only 53% to win, but that theres nothing in the pot already.

edit 2: In your equity calculation, you have it so AA is just as likely as JJ, and i dont think thats the case. So the equity is even more in favor of QQ. (plus the dead moneY)

[MLG]

I'm never reraising with QQ in this spot and folding to a push. Although I will flat call with it sometimes.

[KneeCo]

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in the Matt Matros article there wasn't 480 in the pot already.
we're getting 1.4:1 here. Big difference.

edit: i should say, my problem with the mattros hand isn't that we're only 53% to win, but that theres nothing in the pot already.

edit 2: In your equity calculation, you have it so AA is just as likely as JJ, and i dont think thats the case. So the equity is even more in favor of QQ. (plus the dead moneY)

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Agreed. Also, theres a big difference in the article descibes a situation in a deep stack tournament. But do those things compensate for the fact that in the article we *know* the villain has AK, whereas here we can't be sure.

I'm just not so sure that in a &gt; 100$ MTT, a player who we know nothing about is raising 4 BBs UTG and pushing to a solid raise and therefore most likely is holding AK? The JJ+/AK range is the best I can figure.

[mikeymer]

I think I take the gamble here.

[billyjex]

I don't laydown this hand in a Stars tournament. The blinds move so effing fast I am willing to take what looks like a coinflip against his hand ranges.