6-7 suited in MP

[oxymoron]

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Am I the only one that doesn't like pumping the idiot end of the straight draw here?? With 8 other limping hands out there, hands like JT, QJ, QT are pretty likely, and it sucks pumping a draw, hitting it, and losing the hand. Is the backdoor flush draw what makes the difference here???

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I'll be honest that I didn't like it as much on the flop but my reasoning is I prefer to see the turn and pump it there. Perhaps a leak of mine. I'm with the OP if I had the JT it would be easier for me to pump the flop.

[avisco01]

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Am I the only one that doesn't like pumping the idiot end of the straight draw here?? With 8 other limping hands out there, hands like JT, QJ, QT are pretty likely, and it sucks pumping a draw, hitting it, and losing the hand. Is the backdoor flush draw what makes the difference here???

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Agreed, I'd try to make my hand for as few bets as possible given the reasons already stated.

[Fat Nicky]

Exactly...it would certainly suck to pump this flop, and then a J or Q falls on the turn...We just pumped the flop just to see 4 of our outs become very dirty.

[Redd]

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Am I the only one that doesn't like pumping the idiot end of the straight draw here?? With 8 other limping hands out there, hands like JT, QJ, QT are pretty likely, and it sucks pumping a draw, hitting it, and losing the hand. Is the backdoor flush draw what makes the difference here???

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I think the number of loose, passive players in the pot is what makes the big difference. Even with the ass end of the OESD, we must have at least 20% equity here? Plus, we'd like to build the pot past that critical mass where everyone calls down your aggression (if you hit, obviously) on pot size alone.

[gopnik]

not sure if I'd raise the first bet, I am definitely reraising the second one for value.

[gopnik]

I'd bet it, c/r is a dangerous game here and these calling stations will call you anyway.
BET.

[MagicRat]

River: (14.75 BB) K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)

BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls, CO calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

<font color="blue">A rather uneventful ending to all the flop madness... </font>

RESULTS (problems with the converter so tried to hide it best I could):

<font color="white">Hero shows 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] for straight, six to ten.
MP3 shows 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] for two pairs, nines and eights
CO shows 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] for a pair of twos
UTG shows Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] for a pair of nines

Hero wins 18.75 BB with a straight, six to ten.

Uh, CO &amp; UTG were rather interesting players in that hand. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] </font>

I think that raising either should protect your hand by cutting out better hands or it should build a bigger pot. This pot is already so big that the pot odds for gutshots are okay. So everybody will stay in. For me there is no reason to raise.

[KN0CKAH0MA]

3-BET!!