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11-12-2005, 01:40 PM
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Re: 10/25 AA...
Hey JMa,
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If you were an opponent, would you call a push with QQ here? Would you call a smaller reraise? Also, people need to keep in mind that SB's play looks a lot like a misclick... Hope it worked out. ML4L [/ QUOTE ] It doesnt look like a misclick. Looks like a standard donkraise. Pushing here seeems more illegitimate. I dont think many ppl 3bet preflop with thrash, its a lot more common to push pre with thrash. Id rather call the push than the RR as I surely wont have enough implied odds to call. [/ QUOTE ] What are you talking about? ML4L 
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#12
11-12-2005, 01:54 PM
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Re: 10/25 AA...
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Hey JMa, [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If you were an opponent, would you call a push with QQ here? Would you call a smaller reraise? Also, people need to keep in mind that SB's play looks a lot like a misclick... Hope it worked out. ML4L [/ QUOTE ] It doesnt look like a misclick. Looks like a standard donkraise. Pushing here seeems more illegitimate. I dont think many ppl 3bet preflop with thrash, its a lot more common to push pre with thrash. Id rather call the push than the RR as I surely wont have enough implied odds to call. [/ QUOTE ] What are you talking about? ML4L [/ QUOTE ] uh? everything in his post was pretty clear.
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#14
11-12-2005, 02:52 PM
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Re: 10/25 AA...
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It doesnt look like a misclick. [/ QUOTE ] What would a misclick look like? [ QUOTE ] Looks like a standard donkraise. [/ QUOTE ] Standard? I personally don't see the min-reraise after a late position open and coldcall very often. I must be playing in the wrong games. [ QUOTE ] Pushing here seeems more illegitimate. [/ QUOTE ] Putting another raise in here is screaming that you have a big hand, regardless of the amount. But, putting in your entire stack after two people have shown strength is FAR more obvious than some other amount, IMO. [ QUOTE ] I dont think many ppl 3bet preflop with thrash, its a lot more common to push pre with thrash. [/ QUOTE ] With no information on the players, I don't belive a push with trash to be common here in a full game. [ QUOTE ] Id rather call the push than the RR as I surely wont have enough implied odds to call. [/ QUOTE ] If you call, you aren't calling for the sake of implied odds. This is the part in particular that I was reference when I wondered what you were talking about...? ML4L
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#16
11-12-2005, 02:59 PM
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Re: 10/25 AA...
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[ QUOTE ] Hey JMa, [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If you were an opponent, would you call a push with QQ here? Would you call a smaller reraise? Also, people need to keep in mind that SB's play looks a lot like a misclick... Hope it worked out. ML4L [/ QUOTE ] It doesnt look like a misclick. Looks like a standard donkraise. Pushing here seeems more illegitimate. I dont think many ppl 3bet preflop with thrash, its a lot more common to push pre with thrash. Id rather call the push than the RR as I surely wont have enough implied odds to call. [/ QUOTE ] What are you talking about? ML4L [/ QUOTE ] uh? everything in his post was pretty clear. [/ QUOTE ] Perhaps I'm slow. If it's not too much trouble, could you go ahead and explain why you think a push is best in the absence of image considerations? ML4L
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#17
11-12-2005, 03:43 PM
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Re: 10/25 AA...
In certain games, a lot players only reraise big here w/ AA and KK. These same players will sometimes push w/ smaller pairs and AK. Sometimes they will make a move w/ worse to pick up the pot. I assume that's what people are getting at.
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#18
11-12-2005, 04:28 PM
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Re: 10/25 AA...
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In certain games, a lot players only reraise big here w/ AA and KK. These same players will sometimes push w/ smaller pairs and AK. Sometimes they will make a move w/ worse to pick up the pot. I assume that's what people are getting at. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, I mean, I know what people are getting at, but I just really don't think that it's valid in a full game where nobody has any reads. Certainly, there are some guys against whom you would rather call a push than a smaller reraise. But, I think that there are also guys against whom you would rather see a smaller raise than a huge overbet push. IMO, I think that you are more likely to give people reasons to drop a hand than make a big call by pushing here. I guess others don't agree. Oh well. I'm curious what you and others who play on UB think... ML4L
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#19
11-12-2005, 04:55 PM
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Re: 10/25 AA...
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[ QUOTE ] Id rather call the push than the RR as I surely wont have enough implied odds to call. [/ QUOTE ] If you call, you aren't calling for the sake of implied odds. This is the part in particular that I was reference when I wondered what you were talking about...? ML4L [/ QUOTE ] I read it as though he took the minraisers perspective: If you'd be facing a 3bet, would you sooner call a push or a reraise that won't give you implied odds? Marnix
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