stars 10/20, top set, river action?

durrrr · #1 11-10-2005, 09:56 PM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $20 BB (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

CO ($5343.70)
Hero ($4479)
SB ($1034)
BB ($2000)
UTG ($280)
UTG+1 ($3719.50)
MP1 ($1245.70)
MP2 ($1399)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $20, 3 folds, Hero raises to $80, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls $60.

Flop: ($190) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $140, UTG+1 raises to $320, Hero calls $180.

Turn: ($830) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $620, UTG+1 calls $620.

River: ($2070) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero?

Yeti · #2 11-10-2005, 09:58 PM

$1200.

ahnuld · #3 11-10-2005, 10:28 PM

laughs as he bets 1000-1500 and villan calls with 2 pair or lower set. I like 1500.

Spladle Master · #4 11-10-2005, 10:30 PM

I would check.

durrrr · #5 11-10-2005, 10:38 PM

[ QUOTE ]
laughs as he bets 1000-1500 and villan calls with 2 pair or lower set. I like 1500.

[/ QUOTE ]

villain check/called the turn.

chuddo · #6 11-10-2005, 10:41 PM

he is going to expect a check behind on the river by AQ/AK type hands so he is not likely to risk no value if he made his hand.

so i listen to yeti and bet.

Jonny · #7 11-10-2005, 11:31 PM

1500 sounds about right. By the way durrr, did you used to play the paradise NL200/NL500 about a year and a half ago?

ahnuld · #8 11-10-2005, 11:41 PM

I still like 1400; fold to an allin raise. We wouldnt do that without the flush

AZK · #9 11-11-2005, 12:23 AM

[ QUOTE ]
he is going to expect a check behind on the river by AQ/AK type hands so he is not likely to risk no value if he made his hand.

[/ QUOTE ]

isn't the flip side to this just as strong for an argument against betting?

chuddo · #10 11-11-2005, 12:56 AM

no? haha

but yeah i see what you are saying.

but i think there is valuje to be eked out of this situation.

i don't like the bigger sized bets and think yeti's 1200 sounds about right. more likely to get called by a worse hand, and will not sting as much if the cockroach checkraises all in on the river.

one point to be made if villain had a hand like a smaller set or twopair wouldn't he try a block bet here? unless of course he suspects you are running a bluff and will continue the bluff with a river raise knocking him off his hand. so he may be check-calling to induce a bluff or show his hand down.

i really think the only sensible hand villain can have is 22 that hates that most of the overpairs have oversetted him and i paying off hoping you have AK. or QJ/JThh.

bet-fold.

another reason for betting vs. checking the river when the decision can be close is a point i have made in other threads:

if i am going to be bluffing on the turn, i do not like people having the general idea that they can get to showdown cheaply against me. i like putting to test on the turn with "god, if i call this....there is another big bet coming at me."