stars 5/10... GULP

durrrr · #1 10-25-2005, 08:58 PM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (8 handed)

Hero ($2880.25)
SB ($1115.75)
BB ($237.75)
UTG ($561.75)
UTG+1 ($139)
MP1 ($641.05)
MP2 ($980)
CO ($935)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $30, 3 folds, Hero calls $30, SB raises to $190, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls $109 (All-In), Hero calls $160.

Flop: ($529) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)
SB bets $325, Hero?

Ulysses · #2 10-25-2005, 09:05 PM

GULP indeed. I usually just stick it in there to see AA or a lucky JJ. I see the Queens or random garbage I hope for not nearly enough. I guess I'm saying you should fold, but I never do.

whodaman · #3 10-25-2005, 09:06 PM

if your not getting your money all in on this flop why call the pf raise?
I say raise all in.

durrrr · #4 10-25-2005, 09:11 PM

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if your not getting your money all in on this flop why call the pf raise?

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J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
I think QQ gets away a fair % w/ a J high flop, and JJ has me beat. Donkey w/ TT/AK etc. is still possible (i'd think these fold). Its very close between push or fold, but i am curious what the right play would actually be here- and the more i think about it the less decisive my conclusions become.

mgsimpleton · #5 10-25-2005, 09:11 PM

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GULP indeed. I usually just stick it in there to see AA or a lucky JJ. I see the Queens or random garbage I hope for not nearly enough. I guess I'm saying you should fold, but I never do.

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dry side pot ain't random garbage. i say this is a fold.

lapoker17 · #6 10-25-2005, 09:15 PM

He thinks you have QQ right? Maybe KK? He doesn't care. He has the other KK or AA.

punter11235 · #7 10-25-2005, 09:21 PM

I would fold. Ive recently decided to turn AA vs KK into my moneymaking situation and this requires folding KK in spots like these. But if I am going to fold this flop I would be better off folding preflop. I hate to say this but I think folding preflop is good here unless you are going to stick the rest on the flop.
Btw I like your call before (instead of raising) cause I think that KK make good money postflop vs toppairs lower than K's and it is generally better strategy than raising preflop unless you reraise with many many hands.

Best wishes

durrrr · #8 10-25-2005, 09:29 PM

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I would fold. Ive recently decided to turn AA vs KK into my moneymaking situation and this requires folding KK in spots like these. But if I am going to fold this flop I would be better off folding preflop. I hate to say this but I think folding preflop is good here unless you are going to stick the rest on the flop.
Btw I like your call before (instead of raising) cause I think that KK make good money postflop vs toppairs lower than K's and it is generally better strategy than raising preflop unless you reraise with many many hands.

Best wishes

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this is an easy push on a 456 flop or w/e. The reason i have a tough choice now is the J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. If a Q hit on the flop i probably fold if he bets.

lapoker17 · #9 10-25-2005, 09:36 PM

Really? A lot of people reraise out of the blinds w JJ in that fullish game? W a good coldcaller on the button no less?

durrrr · #10 10-25-2005, 09:39 PM

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Really? A lot of people reraise out of the blinds w JJ in that fullish game? W a good coldcaller on the button no less?

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I dont think JJ is as probable a hand for him as QQ, although he will be much more likely to fold QQ now that the J hit. Also i'd say JJ is definitely a possible hand of his , along w/ 99 being less possible. In general i just dont like this flop and dont know what to do, I think calling, pushing, and folding are all viable, and close, options- I'd just like others opinions on which is the most profitable.