Multi-way 10/20 ps, 500bb stacks

[AZK]

durr - what hands would you lead with like this on the turn. Probably only the flush right? Both players probably know this?

[Kirkrrr]

I think you have to let this one go. UTG is showing a tremendous amount of strength check-raising two players with these stack sizes, and Button's smooth-call on the flop and the turn makes me very suspicious as well... I don't see you beating both of them at this point. You can't call since

a) Button is yet to act behind you - his raise will obviously knock you out, but if he just overcalls you're in totally shitty shape too

b) Even if Button gets out of the way, UTG is pushing any river so you got another 5K bet (roughly - it's way too early and I'm not doing the exact math right now) coming at you with no better idea of where you stand.


So yeah, I'd fold and take a break for 5 mins.

Kirk

Disclaimer: I said it before, I'll make this disclaimer again - I don't play the Stars 5/10 or 10/20 games.

[AZK]

Am I the only one who is more worried about button then UTG? Buttons call screams strength to me more so than UTG's check-raise, am I on crack?

I think this would be a lot closer if button wasn't in on the action, because he is I think it makes it a fold, not becuase of UTG's cr. Meh?

[soah]

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Am I the only one who is more worried about button then UTG? Buttons call screams strength to me more so than UTG's check-raise, am I on crack?

I think this would be a lot closer if button wasn't in on the action, because he is I think it makes it a fold, not becuase of UTG's cr. Meh?

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Well the button's call should scare UTG as much as it scares you.... yet he still went ahead and raised.

[AZK]

good pt

[craze9]

The primary factor in making a decision here is what you know about the two players.

If the button is H@, then you definitely have him beat.

Good chance that UTG doesn't put you on a flush here. But what matters is whether he's the type who might smooth call the flop with a very good made hand and look to raise turn. If you've never seen him do this before, fold.

[Roman]

is he capable of semibluffing the Ad here?

[durrrr]

yes craze he was button, and kkellyqq was utg. I'm surprised that you say i definitely havr h@ll beat here- what would you say his range is?

AZK, I don't need a flush to bet the turn, however i need either a flush, a big combo draw (Qd, Jx), the Ad, or a set/top 2. 90% of the time i would check AQ here (unless i had a diamond). The problem is that UTG tends to not notice differences between players (fold too much to LAGs, call TAGs too much). As i said before if after UTG's bet, I was allowed to play only $1580, I am sure a call would be +EV.

[Ulysses]

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Shouldn't we be more worried about button's cold call on the turn over the UTG raise.

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Button called 600 with a lot behind. UTG checkraised two guys who have hands with deep stacks behind. You worry about button. I'll worry about UTG.

[Ulysses]

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On the turn, are you more likely to raise with the nuts or the non nut?

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The nuts.