how do you get any action. - Page 3

yvesaint · #21 09-27-2005, 02:04 PM

i can almost guarantee the answer without even looking at hands you've posted is to bet the flop, bet the turn, value bet the river. betting flop/turn means theres a bigger pot on the river for you to value bet, because YOU have chose how big you want the pot to be. play a big pot with your big hands, it's the best way to get paid off.

edit: just looked at the hands, and looks like im right. what i see you doing now is check-calling, check-raising, slowplaying, and mini-raising. try using the "bet" button, it works wonders.

GrunchCan · #22 09-27-2005, 03:31 PM

I disagree with this advice:

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If you're never getting action when you raise 6xBB, raise 6xBB with weaker hands and raise 3 or 4xBB with those monster PP's.

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A non-2p2 friend of mine is always complaining about how he never gets action with AA. A lot of this might be selecteve memory. But I asked him about his betting patterns, and he said he likes to make smallish raises PF to encourage action.

We would like to think that our opponents are dull and slow on the uptake. We'd like to think that they are basically just disembodied arms trowing chips without regard to what is happening at the table. But they aren't. No matter how dumb you want to think your opponents are, they are paying attention, and they are trying to beat you. They don't want to lose to you, and it's not like it never occured to them that you might get AA, too. When you have been raising 6xBB all day long, and then come out with a 4xBB raise, don't think they didn't just notice it. They did.

The best way to get action with AA is to make the same raise with every hand.

Stinkybeaver · #23 09-27-2005, 04:32 PM

So i bet the flop I bet the turn waht do I do when people push.?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG ($23.25)
Hero ($25.75)
MP1 ($23.05)
MP2 ($23.20)
MP3 ($19.75)
CO ($25.35)
Button ($5.70)
SB ($21.90)
BB ($20.35)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.75, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.75, 3 folds, SB (poster) calls $0.65, 1 fold.

Flop: ($2.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2, MP2 calls $2, SB calls $2.

Turn: ($8.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $10, MP2 folds, SB calls $19.15 (All-In), Hero calls $9.15.

River: ($46.80) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $46.80

FrogMouth · #24 09-27-2005, 05:03 PM

Like directscooter mentioned, at Party 25NL you really have to rasie more PF. Most tables will call $1+ with any holding so you need to keep track of PF raises and see what gets calld, and what doesn't. My standard would be $1.50, and go up from there.

This KK hand, in EP, I would make it $1.75 to go PF. Flop with 2 callers, I would bet the pot, maybe a bit more, theres some draws. If you still have 2 callers, its time to slow down.

BTW, these 2 King hands you posted got plenty of action! :P

Stinkybeaver · #25 09-27-2005, 05:26 PM

ohh they sure got action but only from freakin sets or worse

How about this Play... Preflop ok..? Call the all in must be pretty marginal..?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (7 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP1 ($24.25)
Hero ($36.95)
CO ($17.55)
Button ($25.10)
SB ($24.50)
BB ($23.50)
UTG ($28.85)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $0.35. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
1 fold, MP1 calls $0.25, Hero raises to $2, 1 fold, Button calls $25.10 (All-In), 2 folds, MP1 folds, Hero calls $23.10.

Flop: ($51.15) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($51.15) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($51.15) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $51.15

FrogMouth · #26 09-27-2005, 05:43 PM

85% of the PF re-raises at these stakes are AA/KK. People play so passive that you are preying your up against AK and looking to coin flip your money. FOLD he definatly has a bigger pair!

#27 09-27-2005, 06:00 PM

I agree with some of the recommendations here so far. Only 2 people mentioned another factor slightly. Have you considered your table selection? You play online I assume? There is tons of information available as to how tight/loose a table might be. You can't get blood from a stone.

By the way, raising a $0.25 blind to $0.75 doesn't strike me as "protecting" anything.

Stinkybeaver · #28 09-27-2005, 06:12 PM

ok about table selection what do you use to figure out the table VP$IP before you sit down..?

I know that 0.75$ is not protecting much but I can't figure out how to get anything from these fit/fold guys.

crosse91 · #29 09-27-2005, 06:13 PM

if anyone at the tiable is paying attention THIS hand is a good way to get action.

yvesaint · #30 09-27-2005, 06:26 PM

Uh, you just called an all-in pre-flop with TT. You do know that, do you?