how do you get any action. - Page 2

#11 09-27-2005, 10:36 AM

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Ok but how do I protect my big pairs from say a set then...? or maybe I don't..?

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You should bet the pot size on the button. If you are one of the blinds you should overbet the pot. If theres no limpers you should bet about 4x on the button and 5x on the blinds. Betting the proper amount PF you probably will make fold small and even medium pocket pairs, prevent them from hit a set. So the amount you should bet depends on the number of limpers and the position rather than the hand you hold.

sourbeaver · #12 09-27-2005, 10:48 AM

I hope I haven't inspired this S/N. [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

Maulik · #13 09-27-2005, 11:00 AM

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I can't seem to understand how you guys get any action on your big pocket pairs..?

Whenever I make any raise above 4BB I get no callers all the limpers just fold and wait til next round.

I don't like slowplaying them either.

Someone enlighten me as to how I play big pairs preflop

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poker is played over 100,000s of hands. keep at it, you're gaining +EV by taking down the pot each time and not losing a huge pot.

MobbDeep · #14 09-27-2005, 11:15 AM

This is how u do it.
Thing is that there will ALLWYAS be stupid people around to pay u off.
I hardly ever slowplay cause it will only get u into trouble.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG ($46.10)
UTG+1 ($44.88)
UTG+2 ($61.50)
MP1 ($65.74)
Hero ($102.65)
MP3 ($49)
CO ($44.80)
Button ($50.20)
SB ($30.13)
BB ($73.25)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
4 folds, Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, Button calls $2, 2 folds.

Flop: ($4.75) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $4, Button calls $4.

Turn: ($12.75) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $10, Button calls $10.

River: ($32.75) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $15, Button calls $15.

Final Pot: $62.75

Hero has Ad Ah (three of a kind, aces).
Button has Qs Kh (one pair, queens).
Outcome: Hero wins $62.75.

fuzzbox · #15 09-27-2005, 11:37 AM

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I can't seem to understand how you guys get any action on your big pocket pairs..?

Whenever I make any raise above 4BB I get no callers all the limpers just fold and wait til next round.

I don't like slowplaying them either.

Someone enlighten me as to how I play big pairs preflop

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1. Move to a different table.
2. Dont raise more than 4BB
3. Raise lots of times for more than 4BB and take all their blinds a lot.

Apply any and all of these and you will get the action you desire. Soon, we will expect you to post with subjects like "how can these muppets call with KTo and crack my AA?".

Njoy.

jhall23 · #16 09-27-2005, 11:46 AM

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Ok but how do I protect my big pairs from say a set then...? or maybe I don't..?

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With stacks of 100 BB or more you can't protect your big pairs from a set via a pre-flop opening raise unless you open up with a HUGE raise. Since a set will flop about 12% of the time in order to do so you would need to put clost to 12% or more of the smaller stack (between you and opponent) in pre-flop to be "Protecting". Since you want to open with more than just AA-QQ you don't want to be always making huge raises as it would be costly. You want your raise amounts consitent so your hand can't be easily read, but typically you will be opening with a better selection of hands then your opponents who play too loose. Your post flop play is what will determine how much you win/loose with your big pairs. The idea of protecting your big pairs can come in if you get in a raising war pre-flop. If you telegraph your AA for example with a pre-flop 3bet, you want to make sure that your opponent is not getting implied odds to flop a set on you, which you determine by the smallest stack size.

In regards to the actual amount, there is no perfect pre-flop raise amount with deepish stacks. Whatever you choose to do the main thing you want to avoid is giving away your holdings based on your raise amount. Alot of advice here is to adopt something like 3-4x the bb + 1 bb per limper. This is a fine easy way to keep your raise amounts conistent.

Edit: In response to your initial ?. If your pre-flop raises are winning pots flat out too much, you simply should start raising more hands and stealing pots. If you opponents start to adjust to this you tighten back up.

Stinkybeaver · #17 09-27-2005, 01:19 PM

Alright this last post made it pretty clear to me. I can't just fire 8BB or more in order to protect my hand against other PP.

Here's KK hand that I lost to a set.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP1 ($46.63)
Hero ($29.05)
MP3 ($12.10)
CO ($19.30)
Button ($51.15)
SB ($36.15)
BB ($25.95)
UTG ($18.80)
UTG+1 ($28.70)
UTG+2 ($23.70)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, 1 fold, CO calls $0.75, 3 folds.

Flop: ($1.85) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $2, Hero calls $2.

Turn: ($5.85) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $3, Hero raises to $8, CO calls $13.55 (All-In), Hero calls $8.55.

River: ($38.95) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $38.95

Stinkybeaver · #18 09-27-2005, 01:22 PM

This is another hand. well it ain't got much to do with big PP, but How do I get action on these nut hands.?? This time it all came by itself but say villian hadden't bet how do I get dollars in here..?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP1 ($26.95)
MP2 ($13.70)
MP3 ($7.85)
CO ($36.04)
Hero ($25.40)
SB ($31.80)
BB ($25)
UTG ($9.75)
UTG+1 ($13.81)
UTG+2 ($91.30)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
2 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.25, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.25, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: ($0.85) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+2 bets $2, Hero calls $2, BB folds.

Turn: ($4.85) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+2 bets $4, Hero raises to $8, UTG+2 calls $4.

River: ($20.85) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+2 bets $5, Hero calls $15.15 (All-In), UTG+2 calls $10.15.

Final Pot: $51.15

troymclur · #19 09-27-2005, 01:28 PM

Think about it this way. If you're never getting action when you raise 6xBB, raise 6xBB with weaker hands and raise 3 or 4xBB with those monster PP's. The idea is to switch up your betting patterns. Once you've realized that the table folds to your 6x raise, you can then take advantage of the conservative field and steal pots with hands that you don't want to get called with anyways.

Seriously, if you're never getting called, lower the raises a bit.

directscooter · #20 09-27-2005, 01:40 PM

No checking on that flop in your KK hand, I would also make the raise $1.50, that was my minimum at 25NL and I got tons of callers. You are either just going through a dry spell or not sitting at the right tables (which is pretty hard to do, since they are almost all ripe).
Raise to $1.50, lead for the pot, if he comes over the top, you can decide if you believe him or not, if not it all goes in on the turn and I expect to be ahead most of the time here.

In hand 2 QTo is pretty marginal to play with only one limper. I raise that flop, truthfully I raised any hand I hit at NL25 other than quads almost all of the time and I still do at NL100. People pay you off. Like I said in the first example you are either having a tough run (which I am going through right now on made hands) or you are not doing a good job of table selection (which I realized a few days ago was part of my problem). Oh and don't min raise, if that guy had been on some sort of wierd diamond draw you gave him just about the right odds to call.

Post more hands, hopefully the more experience guys can give you some better advice.