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[Stinkybeaver]

Ok so second session today and this hand came up.

Preflop. Ok i make a 3BB raise which I think is ok. Then I get reraised to 3$ from someone who I have noted as tight from my FL play. 2 callers and I really think I need to call this preflop..?

Flop. The good news: I have Flush and str8 draw. The bad news this might very well have hittin the initail raiser pretty hard and say someone has a set this deducts my outs quite a bit. I end up Calling his pot bet figuring that I have slighlty +EV odds against TPGK and TOP TWO..?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero ($29.95)
MP2 ($29.65)
MP3 ($24.30)
CO ($28)
Button ($25.20)
SB ($23.05)
BB ($12.20)
UTG ($27.55)
UTG+1 ($62.46)
UTG+2 ($13.55)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
[color=#666666]1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $0.25, UTG+2 calls $0.25, [color=#CC3333]Hero raises to $0.75</font>, [color=#CC3333]MP2 raises to $3</font>, [color=#666666]3 folds</font>, SB (poster) calls $2.90, [color=#666666]1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $2.75, UTG+2 folds, Hero calls $2.25.

Flop: ($12.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [color=#0000FF](4 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, [color=#CC3333]MP2 bets $11.9</font>, SB folds, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls $11.90.

Turn: ($36.30) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [color=#0000FF](2 players)</font>
Hero calls $15.05 (All-In), MP2 calls $14.75 (All-In).

River: ($66.10) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] [color=#0000FF](2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $66.10
[color=#009B00]Main Pot: $65.80, between Hero and MP2.</font>
[color=#009B00]Pot 2: $0.29, returned to Hero.</font>

[Hoopster81]

I think I like a c/r all-in on the flop

[aces_dad]

OP: The bad news this might very well have hittin the initail raiser pretty hard and say someone has a set this deducts my outs quite a bit.

The A/K on the flop are in your suit, so anyone with a set of A or K's doesn't reduce your flush/straight outs at all. The only tainted heart you have now is the 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], which given the pfr isn't entirely likely to have made a set of 2's.

[Stinkybeaver]

No but you don't have full equity against a set here, since you can hit your hand and he can counterfeit it with any card that pairs the board. Therefor say I'm up against a set here every time then this its -EV.

[Malachii]

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I think I like a c/r all-in on the flop

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I don't think Hero has any folding equity here whatsoever.

[rikz]

Raise 4xBB+1/limper as a standard raise. Everything else looks fine to me, including calling the reraise preflop after all those others call ahead of you and check/calling the flop with 2:1 pot odds + implied odds if you hit a flush or straight without pairing the board on the turn. If you lose to a Qx flush, o well. Looks more like MP2 has a set of aces or kings.

In general though, I like to play big draws a little faster. So, with deeper stacks, I might bet into the preflop raiser for $12 instead of check/call or check/raise. If the raiser raises or pushes, then I'd calculate the odds and think about my reads on villain before deciding to call, raise or fold. This case is special, however, in that you might be able to put villain specifically on Aces or Kings. If you're read is that he would only reraise preflop with Aces or Kings, check/call is probably good because if you hit, you can make him pay a premium to see if he fills up on the river (just like it actually played out). So, maybe your check/call play here is the best if the stacks were deeper because of the implied odds of making his set pay to beat your flush or straight by filling up on the river.

These stacks are pretty short, however, and your hand plays best if you see all the cards. So, I think despite the likelihood of villain having AA or KK, I'd check raise all-in on the flop. You'd be risking $26.95 to win $24.40 if villain folds, and to win $51.35 if villain calls. If villain calls you have 1.9:1 pot odds. If villain has a set, you are only a 1.96:1 dog. So if you think you'd even have .06 FE vs all of villains possible holdings (isn't it at least .06:1 likely he has QQ?), it's at least neutral EV to check-raise all-in. Plus it just feels better to bet a draw than call a draw.

vs a set of Aces on the flop:
pokenum -h jh th - ac as -- ah kh 2c
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 2c Ah Kh
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Jh Th 335 33.84 655 66.16 0 0.00 0.338
As Ac 655 66.16 335 33.84 0 0.00 0.662

[FlyingStart]

Why do you raise preflop with a good multiway hand? And if you are going to raise, why only 3*BB? Does anyone else have a comment on this?

On the flop I would check and hope for multiway action. As the flop played I would fold (Maybe go allin to try to catch my first royal just for kicks). There is no way villain is folding here, he has two pair or a set. Because of this is he now also drawing to a boat with reduces your pot equity considerably. If you make the push you are paying almost 30$ to try to win a pot of ~70$, that is 42%. If both the Queens for a straight and the flush was clean it would be about EV neutral, but with a boat drawing I think this is -EV

It would turn +EV if it was some chance he would fold here, but I think that is close to 0%

EDIT: I forgot that hero had a little invested already so that changes the math a little, but I still think it's slightly -EV tho. Hehe, maybe worth it just to catch the royal

[Hoopster81]

So, open push?

[amoeba]

this is an easy fold preflop to the reraise considering your stack size.

just because many people called doesn't mean you'll get it multiway all in if you hit your hand. rather it means you have to pay much more to draw at your draw which is what happened here.

Also, if one of the none preflop raisers gets aggressive, you can be sure he has single pair beaten and likely has redraws against you even if you do make your straight or flush.

[ryanghall]

You really need to limp this hand preflop. I'd probably push on the flop.

Ryan