HH from Stars 100+9

[Rizen]

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Thanks for sharing, much appreciated! I enjoyed reading through the tournament and playing along with you.

Do you have notes on many of these players that help with your reads? You also mention in the TT hand that the player raised less than 2% of his hands - is this verbatim from poker tracker or was this more of an approximation?

Thanks again.

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Verbatim from Poker Tracker via Poker Ace HUD. I wish I could remember things that well [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

-Rizen

[Rizen]

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Thanks for sharing, much appreciated! I enjoyed reading through the tournament and playing along with you.

Do you have notes on many of these players that help with your reads? You also mention in the TT hand that the player raised less than 2% of his hands - is this verbatim from poker tracker or was this more of an approximation?

Thanks again.

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Verbatim from Poker Tracker via Poker Ace HUD. I wish I could remember things that well [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

-Rizen

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Also, after talking with Kneeco about this TT hand, I wanted to add a little context. This is the Final Table, I felt I had a clear edge over the field, and this particular player was pushing while he was 3rd in chips, and I had over double the nearest stack. I really didn't feel the need to gamble with TT against a tight player who made an odd move considering his chip position. I thought his range was something like 88-QQ and AJ+. I don't think he does this with KK or AA. Calling against that range is probably +cEV, but this is one of those final table situations where I feel it is -EV.

Also, I believe at that point I was pretty well running over the table and chipping up off uncontested pots pretty easily. Cutting my stack in half would have made it much tougher for me to keep the stranglehold I felt I had on the FT at the time.

Out of context I think this fold looks bad, but given the situation I felt the fold was pretty easy, and quite honestly I didn't even think very long about it.

-Rizen

Is HUD compatible with Stars now?

[Rizen]

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It seemed like you only played solid cards. I didn't see one steal raise (I stopped reading when you reached the FT). (other than 44 that you folded when someone came back over the top).

What was interesting to me was that when you raised, you raised all-in even if it didn't seem like you need to- ie you had more than 10x BB . Do you have a different rule than 10xBB for when you push vs. 3x BB? Then when it got to 2k/4k you switched to 3xBB. Was this b/c you had a high chip position or because of the blind level.

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I base my plays off the initial chip value in the pot (M) and not the BB. Play differs from sites with antes to sites without, and thinking in terms of the big blind I think it is mistake (althoguh thinking only in terms of M is a mistake as well).

A lot of when I'll start to consider open pushing depends a lot on the overall table aggression factor. You can't just think in terms of the 3xBB raise, you also have to think of how big the pot is, and if you decide to make a continuation bet how much that is going to be, and then if you fire both of these barrels and miss if you'll have enough left to fold and not leave yourself crippled.

I think we can all agree raising with hand then folding every time you miss a flop is a mistake, so is making a cont. bet every single time. This particular table that I made a lot of pushes at was one that was very aggressive post-flop if I recall correctly (I'm at work, so not going through the HH too thoroughly).

Is the amount of pushing I did in this particular tournament standard?? Not at all. Did I think it was the correct move for the particular table I was at?? Absolutely. One of my hesitations about posting a HH is that the course of a tournament is often like a painting. Every stroke you make doesn't always make sense by itself, and even a great artist doesn't make every stroke perfect (and regardless of what some people think, I don't consider myself a 'great' player). When it's all said and done though, it's all building a big picture.

If I posted 10 different HHs on here, you'd probably think I had multiple personality syndrome. Sometimes I'm a maniac, other times a rock. Some tournaments (as someone here already noted) I'll be able to go the whole tournament without playing a bad starting hand (I did play a few at the final table based on reads here), other times I'll have to make multiple moves with trash to stay ahead of the escalating blinds.

Poker is definitely situational. I'm absolutely positive that I could pull at least 15 hands out of this tournament and, when posted in isolation, they would look horrible. I'm also positive that I made mistakes in this tournament. I strive for perfection in every tournament I play, and I have yet to achieve it once.

This is not meant as a defensive post at all, I appreciate the feedback and I'm happy to discuss what or why I was thinking a certain way in certain situations. I also don't at all regret posting the HH to share. Please continue to discuss, and I'll explain what I can the best I can. Just look through the HH with some degree of perspective. If you're looking for a 'guide' to tournament play, this is definitely NOT the place for it. If you're looking for perspective from someone for 1 tournament, and perhaps a look at some alternative ways to play hands, then I think you might get something out of it. Sorry for being winded, I'm still not sure how well I'm articulating what I'm trying to say [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

-Rizen

[Rizen]

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Is HUD compatible with Stars now?

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I've never had it NOT be, although I've only been using it for about 6-7 weeks now.

-Rizen

[Roman]

I only looked through most of the FT hands, here are some I think u botched:

I hope you know why this one sucks:

*********** # 302 **************
PokerStars Game #3236518686: Tournament #15701163, Hold'em No Limit - Level XV (2000/4000) - 2005/12/04 - 03:00:13 (ET)
Table '15701163 16' Seat #9 is the button
Seat 3: Rizen (71689 in chips)
Seat 5: Bad_reflex (191428 in chips)
Seat 6: all_in_7-8 (54996 in chips)
Seat 8: DeOnTaY04 (19703 in chips)
Seat 9: JTriverrat (77684 in chips)
Rizen: posts the ante 200
Bad_reflex: posts the ante 200
all_in_7-8: posts the ante 200
DeOnTaY04: posts the ante 200
JTriverrat: posts the ante 200
Rizen: posts small blind 2000
Bad_reflex: posts big blind 4000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Rizen [2d Ad]
all_in_7-8: folds
DeOnTaY04: folds
JTriverrat said, "lol"
JTriverrat: folds
Rizen: calls 2000
Bad_reflex: checks
*** FLOP *** [2h Jd 3s]
Rizen: bets 6000
Bad_reflex: raises 10000 to 16000
Rizen: calls 10000
*** TURN *** [2h Jd 3s] [8h]
Rizen: checks
Bad_reflex: bets 16000
Rizen: folds
Bad_reflex collected 41000 from pot
Bad_reflex: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 41000 | Rake 0
Board [2h Jd 3s 8h]
Seat 3: Rizen (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 5: Bad_reflex (big blind) collected (41000)
Seat 6: all_in_7-8 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: DeOnTaY04 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: JTriverrat (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)


Complete against that guy? no way....

*********** # 317 **************
PokerStars Game #3236559749: Tournament #15701163, Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (3000/6000) - 2005/12/04 - 03:07:02 (ET)
Table '15701163 16' Seat #9 is the button
Seat 3: Rizen (109285 in chips)
Seat 5: Bad_reflex (210628 in chips)
Seat 9: JTriverrat (95587 in chips)
Rizen: posts the ante 300
Bad_reflex: posts the ante 300
JTriverrat: posts the ante 300
Rizen: posts small blind 3000
Bad_reflex: posts big blind 6000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Rizen [Td 5d]
all_in_7-8 [observer] said, "gg"
JTriverrat: folds
Rizen: calls 3000
PaulTuetel [observer] said, "74 off rules"
Bad_reflex: raises 18000 to 24000
Rizen: folds
PaulTuetel [observer] said, "on pokerstars"
Bad_reflex collected 12900 from pot
Bad_reflex: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 12900 | Rake 0
Seat 3: Rizen (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Bad_reflex (big blind) collected (12900)
Seat 9: JTriverrat (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

This one is only good under VERY specific curcumstances (ie could be a good play, could be spewing):

*********** # 309 **************
PokerStars Game #3236540002: Tournament #15701163, Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (3000/6000) - 2005/12/04 - 03:03:44 (ET)
Table '15701163 16' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 3: Rizen (57189 in chips)
Seat 5: Bad_reflex (210928 in chips)
Seat 6: all_in_7-8 (38296 in chips)
Seat 9: JTriverrat (109087 in chips)
Rizen: posts the ante 300
Bad_reflex: posts the ante 300
all_in_7-8: posts the ante 300
JTriverrat: posts the ante 300
JTriverrat: posts small blind 3000
Rizen: posts big blind 6000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Rizen [5c Ks]
Bad_reflex: folds
all_in_7-8: raises 6000 to 12000
all_in_7-8 said, "leave bad alone, he is our chip commander"
JTriverrat: folds
Rizen: calls 6000
*** FLOP *** [6d Th Tc]
Bad_reflex said, "yep, TY Dawg !"
Rizen: bets 30000
all_in_7-8: folds
Rizen collected 28200 from pot
Rizen: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 28200 | Rake 0
Board [6d Th Tc]
Seat 3: Rizen (big blind) collected (28200)
Seat 5: Bad_reflex folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: all_in_7-8 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: JTriverrat (small blind) folded before Flop

overall you did a really good job in my opinion, the only thing I may have done differently is by putting more pressure on by raising with any2 on tight players BBs, you seemed to have a hand almost every time you raised.

[badluckal]

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PokerStars Game #3236540002: Tournament #15701163, Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (3000/6000) - 2005/12/04 - 03:03:44 (ET)
Table '15701163 16' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 3: Rizen (57189 in chips)
Seat 5: Bad_reflex (210928 in chips)
Seat 6: all_in_7-8 (38296 in chips)
Seat 9: JTriverrat (109087 in chips)
Rizen: posts the ante 300
Bad_reflex: posts the ante 300
all_in_7-8: posts the ante 300
JTriverrat: posts the ante 300
JTriverrat: posts small blind 3000
Rizen: posts big blind 6000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Rizen [5c Ks]
Bad_reflex: folds
all_in_7-8: raises 6000 to 12000
all_in_7-8 said, "leave bad alone, he is our chip commander"
JTriverrat: folds
Rizen: calls 6000
*** FLOP *** [6d Th Tc]
Bad_reflex said, "yep, TY Dawg !"
Rizen: bets 30000
all_in_7-8: folds
Rizen collected 28200 from pot
Rizen: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 28200 | Rake 0
Board [6d Th Tc]
Seat 3: Rizen (big blind) collected (28200)
Seat 5: Bad_reflex folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: all_in_7-8 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: JTriverrat (small blind) folded before Flop


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This was one of my favorite hands of the FT.

The villan's min-raise from the button leaving only 26k behind doesn't mean much in terms of strength, maybe 30% steal with air/30% low pair/30% unsuited broadway/10% AA-QQ.

Rizen is getting great odds to peel, and the paired rainbow flop equals whiff for villan pretty often. So he Stop and Goes putting villan all-in while leaving 19k behind, and I think he will actually be ahead or in a flip enough of the time to justfy the move. The villan's terrible fold is just icing on the cake [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Rizen]

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I only looked through most of the FT hands, here are some I think u botched:

I hope you know why this one sucks:

*********** # 302 **************
PokerStars Game #3236518686: Tournament #15701163, Hold'em No Limit - Level XV (2000/4000) - 2005/12/04 - 03:00:13 (ET)
Table '15701163 16' Seat #9 is the button
Seat 3: Rizen (71689 in chips)
Seat 5: Bad_reflex (191428 in chips)
Seat 6: all_in_7-8 (54996 in chips)
Seat 8: DeOnTaY04 (19703 in chips)
Seat 9: JTriverrat (77684 in chips)
Rizen: posts the ante 200
Bad_reflex: posts the ante 200
all_in_7-8: posts the ante 200
DeOnTaY04: posts the ante 200
JTriverrat: posts the ante 200
Rizen: posts small blind 2000
Bad_reflex: posts big blind 4000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Rizen [2d Ad]
all_in_7-8: folds
DeOnTaY04: folds
JTriverrat said, "lol"
JTriverrat: folds
Rizen: calls 2000
Bad_reflex: checks
*** FLOP *** [2h Jd 3s]
Rizen: bets 6000
Bad_reflex: raises 10000 to 16000
Rizen: calls 10000
*** TURN *** [2h Jd 3s] [8h]
Rizen: checks
Bad_reflex: bets 16000
Rizen: folds
Bad_reflex collected 41000 from pot
Bad_reflex: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 41000 | Rake 0
Board [2h Jd 3s 8h]
Seat 3: Rizen (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 5: Bad_reflex (big blind) collected (41000)
Seat 6: all_in_7-8 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: DeOnTaY04 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: JTriverrat (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)


Complete against that guy? no way....

*********** # 317 **************
PokerStars Game #3236559749: Tournament #15701163, Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (3000/6000) - 2005/12/04 - 03:07:02 (ET)
Table '15701163 16' Seat #9 is the button
Seat 3: Rizen (109285 in chips)
Seat 5: Bad_reflex (210628 in chips)
Seat 9: JTriverrat (95587 in chips)
Rizen: posts the ante 300
Bad_reflex: posts the ante 300
JTriverrat: posts the ante 300
Rizen: posts small blind 3000
Bad_reflex: posts big blind 6000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Rizen [Td 5d]
all_in_7-8 [observer] said, "gg"
JTriverrat: folds
Rizen: calls 3000
PaulTuetel [observer] said, "74 off rules"
Bad_reflex: raises 18000 to 24000
Rizen: folds
PaulTuetel [observer] said, "on pokerstars"
Bad_reflex collected 12900 from pot
Bad_reflex: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 12900 | Rake 0
Seat 3: Rizen (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Bad_reflex (big blind) collected (12900)
Seat 9: JTriverrat (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

This one is only good under VERY specific curcumstances (ie could be a good play, could be spewing):

*********** # 309 **************
PokerStars Game #3236540002: Tournament #15701163, Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (3000/6000) - 2005/12/04 - 03:03:44 (ET)
Table '15701163 16' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 3: Rizen (57189 in chips)
Seat 5: Bad_reflex (210928 in chips)
Seat 6: all_in_7-8 (38296 in chips)
Seat 9: JTriverrat (109087 in chips)
Rizen: posts the ante 300
Bad_reflex: posts the ante 300
all_in_7-8: posts the ante 300
JTriverrat: posts the ante 300
JTriverrat: posts small blind 3000
Rizen: posts big blind 6000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Rizen [5c Ks]
Bad_reflex: folds
all_in_7-8: raises 6000 to 12000
all_in_7-8 said, "leave bad alone, he is our chip commander"
JTriverrat: folds
Rizen: calls 6000
*** FLOP *** [6d Th Tc]
Bad_reflex said, "yep, TY Dawg !"
Rizen: bets 30000
all_in_7-8: folds
Rizen collected 28200 from pot
Rizen: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 28200 | Rake 0
Board [6d Th Tc]
Seat 3: Rizen (big blind) collected (28200)
Seat 5: Bad_reflex folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: all_in_7-8 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: JTriverrat (small blind) folded before Flop

overall you did a really good job in my opinion, the only thing I may have done differently is by putting more pressure on by raising with any2 on tight players BBs, you seemed to have a hand almost every time you raised.

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The A2 hand was awful, I certainly agree. There were a couple of times I completed in the SB where I wouldn't normally as well as peeled in the BB where I might not against other players. Part of it was that these players were SUPER passive post-flop (IMO at least) and if I recall correctly, I was taking a lot of pots from them on the flop with minimal risk. I waited a bit too long to change gears 3 handed though, as they both got a little more aggressive then.

The A2 hand is beyond awful, almost embarassing [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] The others weren't great, but at least I was adjusting my play based on a read. Overall it was an interesting final table. I think I made some good adjustments to it at times, and at others I made some bad adjustements. I actually find it quite encouraging seeing all my positive results lately and knowing that I'm still no where near the best level I can be as a player.

-Rizen

[beenben]

Thanks for posting the HH and the fine answer to my question.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (9 handed) converter

UTG (t1466)
UTG+1 (t2375)
Hero (t1803)
MP2 (t2427)
MP3 (t1324)
CO (t3205)
Button (t2690)
SB (t2005)
BB (t1490)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t300</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls t300, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Flop: (t750) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t400</font>, CO folds.

Final Pot: t1150

What was your plan if he called and another blank hits? if a K or Q hits?
What about if he would have raised all-in?

I like these play when they work, but I sometime loose a big amount of my stack...