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12-28-2005, 01:26 PM
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Re: Against a thinking TAG.....
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[ QUOTE ] I hate the turn raise. He is never folding a better hand or a hand that has more than 3 outs against us and you can't fold to a 3 bet. I would bet the river. Getting check/raised would make me sick but i think your ahead >55%. [/ QUOTE ] The object of the turn raise isn't to get him to fold. It's because you probably have the best hand, and it is the second half of the flop-call to get more money out of Mr. TAG. He raises you, but you have TP with 2nd best kicker, and best kicker is on the board. He probably doesn't have AK, since he would have 3-bet that pre-flop. In fact, you're only behind an A7 at that point. If you 3-bet it on the flop you'll very likely only make one more bet per street as you bet, but if you let him think he's got control you'll get an extra bet on the turn. His likely holdings are AQ, AJ, or A7. This might be one of those rare bet/fold situations on the river. KO [/ QUOTE ] A thinking tag folds to the turn raise often with a hand we have dominated. A thinking tag 3-bets with hands that dominate us or at least calls down. He is not playing a naked weak ace or king this way if he is actually a thinking tag. 
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12-28-2005, 01:48 PM
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Re: Against a thinking TAG.....
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I hate the turn raise. He is never folding a better hand or a hand that has more than 3 outs against us and you can't fold to a 3 bet. I would bet the river. Getting check/raised would make me sick but i think your ahead >55%. [/ QUOTE ] The object of the turn raise isn't to get him to fold. It's because you probably have the best hand, and it is the second half of the flop-call to get more money out of Mr. TAG. He raises you, but you have TP with 2nd best kicker, and best kicker is on the board. He probably doesn't have AK, since he would have 3-bet that pre-flop. In fact, you're only behind an A7 at that point. If you 3-bet it on the flop you'll very likely only make one more bet per street as you bet, but if you let him think he's got control you'll get an extra bet on the turn. His likely holdings are AQ, AJ, or A7. This might be one of those rare bet/fold situations on the river. KO [/ QUOTE ] A thinking tag folds to the turn raise often with a hand we have dominated. A thinking tag 3-bets with hands that dominate us or at least calls down. He is not playing a naked weak ace or king this way if he is actually a thinking tag. [/ QUOTE ] What TAG does here would also be a direct result of what read he has of our Hero, no?
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#3
12-28-2005, 01:54 PM
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Re: Against a thinking TAG.....
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I hate the turn raise. He is never folding a better hand or a hand that has more than 3 outs against us and you can't fold to a 3 bet. I would bet the river. Getting check/raised would make me sick but i think your ahead >55%. [/ QUOTE ] The object of the turn raise isn't to get him to fold. It's because you probably have the best hand, and it is the second half of the flop-call to get more money out of Mr. TAG. He raises you, but you have TP with 2nd best kicker, and best kicker is on the board. He probably doesn't have AK, since he would have 3-bet that pre-flop. In fact, you're only behind an A7 at that point. If you 3-bet it on the flop you'll very likely only make one more bet per street as you bet, but if you let him think he's got control you'll get an extra bet on the turn. His likely holdings are AQ, AJ, or A7. This might be one of those rare bet/fold situations on the river. KO [/ QUOTE ] A thinking tag folds to the turn raise often with a hand we have dominated. A thinking tag 3-bets with hands that dominate us or at least calls down. He is not playing a naked weak ace or king this way if he is actually a thinking tag. [/ QUOTE ] What TAG does here would also be a direct result of what read he has of our Hero, no? [/ QUOTE ] Sure but i have a hard time thinking he thinks kwaz is a bluffing laggy moron.
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12-28-2005, 02:24 PM
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Re: Against a thinking TAG.....
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I hate the turn raise. He is never folding a better hand or a hand that has more than 3 outs against us and you can't fold to a 3 bet. I would bet the river. Getting check/raised would make me sick but i think your ahead >55%. [/ QUOTE ] The object of the turn raise isn't to get him to fold. It's because you probably have the best hand, and it is the second half of the flop-call to get more money out of Mr. TAG. He raises you, but you have TP with 2nd best kicker, and best kicker is on the board. He probably doesn't have AK, since he would have 3-bet that pre-flop. In fact, you're only behind an A7 at that point. If you 3-bet it on the flop you'll very likely only make one more bet per street as you bet, but if you let him think he's got control you'll get an extra bet on the turn. His likely holdings are AQ, AJ, or A7. This might be one of those rare bet/fold situations on the river. KO [/ QUOTE ] A thinking tag folds to the turn raise often with a hand we have dominated. A thinking tag 3-bets with hands that dominate us or at least calls down. He is not playing a naked weak ace or king this way if he is actually a thinking tag. [/ QUOTE ] What TAG does here would also be a direct result of what read he has of our Hero, no? [/ QUOTE ] Sure but i have a hard time thinking he thinks kwaz is a bluffing laggy moron. [/ QUOTE ] ??? Ha! Calling Kwaz a bluffing laggy moron wasn't the intent. Doesn't Hero also raise pf with other hands like JJ/TT/KQ? If BB does know our Hero is Kwaz he probably folds outright. If he doesn't know this is Kwaz, why not c/r and lead the turn putting the pressure back on Hero and seeing what happens. With 'thinking TAG' not 3-betting pf, I have a hard time putting him ahead of our Hero. Would he make this play with a QJs? Just trying to think of what BB might be trying to pull off here.
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