The fair price of gas - Page 3

jaxmike · #21 02-16-2005, 03:21 PM

roflmao.

i have no problems with my economic situation, i am not rich, but i am certainly not poor. i wont get into a debate on intellectual aptitude with you as i cant win a debate against someone who wont listen to reason.

if you really think neo-cons (what are those anyway? i dont think i have ever met one) are akin to nazis then good on ya. but you will find me one of the most strident supporters of the constitutional republic that is the US and I am also a staunch supporter of Israel.

i am no fan of war, but i am not naieve. i also have not allowed liberal (read socialist) propaganda to cloud my mind to the point where i dont even think my own thoughts.

whats wrong with capitalism? its a fair economic system.

Il_Mostro · #22 02-16-2005, 05:27 PM

Do you have anything to add at all? Any insights to share with us on the disparity in price? Any insights into what my logic fallacy was?

Or are you just trolling in this thread as well?

jaxmike · #23 02-16-2005, 05:43 PM

my insight is that your figuring is fundamentally flawed. gas costs what it costs due to what the market determines. this is somewhat fueled and controled by OPEC and the non OPEC exporting country's. however, in the end, the market decides the price. right NOW gas is not rare, in the future it may become so, however, for the time being, its plentiful, thus, cheap.

Il_Mostro · #24 02-16-2005, 05:49 PM

Yes. This is obviously why gas is cheap right now, the percived endlessness of it.

This does not, however, address the deeper question.

jaxmike · #25 02-16-2005, 05:52 PM

the point isthat gas is not in short supply NOW. thats all that matters when determining a fair price. supply and demand. if/when gas runs out, then see how expensive it gets. however, for the time being, its plentiful and cheap. hell, much of the cost of gas is taxes in most places.

Il_Mostro · #26 02-16-2005, 05:59 PM

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the point isthat gas is not in short supply NOW. thats all that matters when determining a fair price. supply and demand.

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Yes. It is, today. The question is why we have invented a system that is so short-sighted that it cannot take into account what will happen 5 or 10 years down the road. If we keep going like we are today things will get very very bad very soon.

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its plentiful and cheap.

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If you defive plentiful as "there's a lot of it now" as opposed to "there's a lot of it" yes, it is plentiful.
But cheap oil and energy now increases use, and there is still only a limited amount to get. So the more we use, the quicker we will run out. And the more we use the harder running out will be.

jaxmike · #27 02-16-2005, 06:08 PM

whats short sighted is your assumption that we will be using oil/gas for a large percentage of our energy needs in 20 years.

my point is that its obscene to assume you know whats going to happen. you are willing to make leaps in logic that are neither justified nor rational. thats is one problem i have with liberals, they feel what they say, and despite all their protests to the contrary, they do not THINK about what they say.

BCPVP · #28 02-16-2005, 07:09 PM

"Necessity is the mother of all invention."
We will find a way to live without oil, have no fear.

Il_Mostro · #29 02-17-2005, 02:48 AM

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"Necessity is the mother of all invention."

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Yes.
And for the last 150 years, cheap oil has been the father.

Il_Mostro · #30 02-17-2005, 02:55 AM

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whats short sighted is your assumption that we will be using oil/gas for a large percentage of our energy needs in 20 years.

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What do you propose we will switch to within 20 years? If you would have said 200 years you'd have some credibility, but 20... there is no alternative in sight, nothing we know now will be able to take up any slack att all the coming 20 years. Even if we had an alternative to start implementing right now, it would take more than 20 years to retrofit the current infrastrukture to something else.
And we don't have any alternative in sight.

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my point is that its obscene to assume you know whats going to happen. you are willing to make leaps in logic that are neither justified nor rational.

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I don't assume what's going to happen. But I do have an informed opinion. What new energy sources do you think will come online in the short term?

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thats is one problem i have with liberals,

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This is getting silly beyond belif. Liberals? You don't know anything about my political belifs. It's fairly far away from american "liberals", that's for sure.

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they feel what they say, and despite all their protests to the contrary, they do not THINK about what they say.

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I have thought and read a lot on this subject, why do you assume I have not? And I have not yet seen and "protests to the contrary" that has been credible, every single one has been refuted.
Please share your views, backed with fact.