Age of players and age bias

i will note here that since ive moved up to 20 and 30 tables ive noticed that while there are many players very prone to an almost constant state of tilt and they can be set off by anything at all, there are also some decent playing older players (middle age and up im thinking) who just will not be jostled. they dont care if you are 13 and play well, they will just sit there and play a decent game and not be bothered by anything you say or do, at least it wont bother their game. it's very easy to see who these people are by the way they act at the table and it's also very easy to give them loads of respect. since they are wise enough to realise that age doesnt really make any difference they welcome respect. it's a joy to behold that i rarely saw at lower limits where the age bias is even more defined. of course, id prefer to have more irrationally minded folks around me, but sometimes that just isnt the case.


one another more gossipy note i played against the famous rake-dodging old man 80-160 playing archie at 30=60 commerce last night. he had an indiana hat on and everything. he sat right on my left. what is it you guys hate about this fellow?

he doesnt seem to play particularly well (although he was up $3k when i moved tables) so i would think you would welcome him with open arms. was he just being nice because he was winning? sometimes he would peek at his hole cards in such a way that i could see them (always a welcome thing if youre sitting right next to me btw). no i wasnt going out of my way to look but one time i saw him raise utg with what i swear was 53o. anyway i tried to talk to him and maybe get him to explode or act crazy or something, but to no avail. he just smiled and cussed a little bit and was a nice guy. maybe he sensed i was a big fish so he was being nice to just me and kudos to him if that's the case cause i was playing like crap. i mean, i only won $2500.


then huck seed came and sat in seat 9. he then proceeded to play absolutely NO hands. no steal raises late, no calling in the blinds. nothing. he showed down exactly one hand: AQo. oh and i had one hand against him. those were the only two hands he played. i had KJo and open raised near the button. he was in the bb. he stared at me for like 12 seconds and then called. the flop was JJ4. he checked instantly, i bet, and he mucked instantly. then he moved over to a 20 table i changed to (are you sensing a subtheme here: commerce pros following me around and being nice..hmmm) and proceeded to play absolutely no hands although the game was VERY juicy with all unsophistaicated players playing passively 5 and 6 handed at 3am, about as good as one could hope for. he'd fold on the button rather than steal raise, fold his blinds to obvious steals, play no hands, play even less than no hands. when i told my friend today he joked that perhaps he thinks he's still playing the poker classic and he's trying to make the money. i said i thought it was strange that his chips were a different color than everyone elses.

When you mention archie, do you mean archie karas?

Regards, Lee "Jughead" Jones

My Archie does not weat a hat, so perhaps we're not talking the same guy. My Archie has a sort of Russian accent and wears floral and other wildish print short sleeve shirts. He does indeed not play particularly well and I once heard him claim he was losing. . .well, I can't remember, he might have said $3,000 a week or something like that.


What is it I dislike about my Archie? He's a mean-spirited, rude, self-centered, obnoxious piece of shit.

is he a white haired old man, pretty big guy with glasses? cause i think my guy wears glasses. and he was complaining every time he had to pay the rake which i thought was funny. and he told me he had lost $7k earlier playing 80-160. i think he had an accent


tell me more about what your archie does that's so evil.

I've never actually experienced age bias. I am 25-27 in looks but younger in reality. I have never really noticed any resentment or different treatment from players of any age. In fact, it is only fellow 20-somethings who treat me differently because they see me as another one of them; a studious, poker-loving young person. But this is natural.


I think some people go around expecting to be discriminated against, so they perceive the actions of others to be this way. This in turn perpetuates the matter (crusty, unfriendly behaviour begets crusty, unfriendly behaviour). It's either that or I'm really not paying enough attention at the tables.

I have found many people to be nice to me and always surprised to see that I know how to play. I look like a typical punker with spiked hair and earrings and colored hair (sometimes) but in both vegas and california i have found the majority of people to be nice that i actually talk to. In fact a funny story happened in the 10-20 @ Mirage where I was walking towards the game and heard 3 or 4 of the regulars saying things to the effect of "man that kid just kept folding but he looked like he was gonna be a loose cannon" any way one of them turned around, saw me and said "hey speak of the devil". They were nice to me and even though i had a good run of cards and whacked a couple of them real good the previous day they didnt hold it against me. In fact one of the guys was talking politics with me so it was cool.

As a final note- dont hang around casinos too much (I go there strictly to play and look for good games-thats it), they are the last place you'd want to get a portion of your social life from, the only thing i really dont like about poker is the multitude of pure fucking scumbags that frequent the cardrooms. Seeing all those people that are just wasting there lives away is kinda sickening to watch but oh well, as long as chips come from their stck to mine i guess thats what's important.


Kris

I agree wholeheartedly with the last part of your post, Goat. I dislike most elements of the cardrooms, as some of the biggest degenerates can be seen walking around asking if you want to buy a watch, loan some money, etc. Don't make poker your life if you are under 30, the games will always be around. I try not to get too friendly with anyone in the cardroom, as I have had some people want to hang out. I don't come to the card room to make friends, I got my own. Besides, But that's not to say I don't enjoy the company of the people at the cardroom for the most part. But for this reason, you will never find me in a card room late on Friday or Saturday night. Them nights is for partyin.


DN

i find that friday and saturday night games at the Harrah's east chicago are far better than sunday afternoon games. haven't even played on a weekday yet.

Thats surely how it is here too. I can hang out with real people on nights other then friday and saturday so I think it's worth it to play on the nights when the competition is softest. I wish that the easiest nights were monday and other nights like that but unfortunately that isnt how it works.


Kris