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09-19-2005, 05:58 PM
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river card is dealt before last player gets to act: ruling?
10-25nl at borgata, limped pot, 4 players to the flop of T94, two hearts. sb checks, bb bets 100, limper 1 folds, limper 2 calls, sb calls. turn is an offsuit 3, sb checks, bb bets 300, limper 2 calls, sb has three black chips in his hand that he's about to throw into the pot but the dealer, clearly forgetting that the player still has cards, burns and turns the river, which is another non-heart 3. what now? 
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#2
09-19-2005, 06:06 PM
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Re: river card is dealt before last player gets to act: ruling?
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10-25nl at borgata, limped pot, 4 players to the flop of T94, two hearts. sb checks, bb bets 100, limper 1 folds, limper 2 calls, sb calls. turn is an offsuit 3, sb checks, bb bets 300, limper 2 calls, sb has three black chips in his hand that he's about to throw into the pot but the dealer, clearly forgetting that the player still has cards, burns and turns the river, which is another non-heart 3. what now? [/ QUOTE ] River card is shuffled back into the stub, turn action commences, new river (with no burn) is dealt. Action proceeds on river.
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#3
09-19-2005, 06:38 PM
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Re: river card is dealt before last player gets to act: ruling?
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[ QUOTE ] 10-25nl at borgata, limped pot, 4 players to the flop of T94, two hearts. sb checks, bb bets 100, limper 1 folds, limper 2 calls, sb calls. turn is an offsuit 3, sb checks, bb bets 300, limper 2 calls, sb has three black chips in his hand that he's about to throw into the pot but the dealer, clearly forgetting that the player still has cards, burns and turns the river, which is another non-heart 3. what now? [/ QUOTE ] River card is shuffled back into the stub, turn action commences, new river (with no burn) is dealt. Action proceeds on river. [/ QUOTE ] This is almost right. Complete the action on the turn and then shuffle the premature burn back in (if completing the turn action didn't end the hand).
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#4
09-19-2005, 06:52 PM
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Re: river card is dealt before last player gets to act: ruling?
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This is almost right. Complete the action on the turn and then shuffle the premature burn back in (if completing the turn action didn't end the hand). [/ QUOTE ] Nope.
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#5
09-19-2005, 07:08 PM
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Re: river card is dealt before last player gets to act: ruling?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] 10-25nl at borgata, limped pot, 4 players to the flop of T94, two hearts. sb checks, bb bets 100, limper 1 folds, limper 2 calls, sb calls. turn is an offsuit 3, sb checks, bb bets 300, limper 2 calls, sb has three black chips in his hand that he's about to throw into the pot but the dealer, clearly forgetting that the player still has cards, burns and turns the river, which is another non-heart 3. what now? [/ QUOTE ] River card is shuffled back into the stub, turn action commences, new river (with no burn) is dealt. Action proceeds on river. [/ QUOTE ] This is almost right. Complete the action on the turn and then shuffle the premature burn back in (if completing the turn action didn't end the hand). [/ QUOTE ] no, mine is right. The burn stays out. Why would you reshuffle a card that was certainly not going to be the river card back in for the river?
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#6
09-19-2005, 07:35 PM
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Re: river card is dealt before last player gets to act: ruling?
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no, mine is right. The burn stays out. Why would you reshuffle a card that was certainly not going to be the river card back in for the river? [/ QUOTE ] This is how I understood it as well.
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#7
09-19-2005, 07:48 PM
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Re: river card is dealt before last player gets to act: ruling?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] 10-25nl at borgata, limped pot, 4 players to the flop of T94, two hearts. sb checks, bb bets 100, limper 1 folds, limper 2 calls, sb calls. turn is an offsuit 3, sb checks, bb bets 300, limper 2 calls, sb has three black chips in his hand that he's about to throw into the pot but the dealer, clearly forgetting that the player still has cards, burns and turns the river, which is another non-heart 3. what now? [/ QUOTE ] River card is shuffled back into the stub, turn action commences, new river (with no burn) is dealt. Action proceeds on river. [/ QUOTE ] This is almost right. Complete the action on the turn and then shuffle the premature burn back in (if completing the turn action didn't end the hand). [/ QUOTE ] LOL I don't believe I wrote this, I was playing poker. Of course the burn stays there and you put the premature river card back in the deck. I was jsut pointing out that you complete action before shuffling. Edit to add: I got in a hurry becasue everyone knows what happens on a "burn and turn" the floor's main job is to explain it to any players that might be new to poker the dealer will know what to do (every dealer I know has done this at some point).
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#8
09-20-2005, 02:50 AM
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Re: river card is dealt before last player gets to act: ruling?
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...everyone knows what happens on a "burn and turn"... [/ QUOTE ] The OP didn't know. I hope that he was just watching this 10-25 NL game. It frightens me to think that someone might be playing in a game that big, and not know this one.
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#9
09-20-2005, 03:26 AM
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Re: river card is dealt before last player gets to act: ruling?
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[ QUOTE ] ...everyone knows what happens on a "burn and turn"... [/ QUOTE ] The OP didn't know. I hope that he was just watching this 10-25 NL game. It frightens me to think that someone might be playing in a game that big, and not know this one. [/ QUOTE ] i play in this game regularly. the table debated the ruling for a good 10 minutes (i kept quiet, i wasn't involved in the hand and i wasn't sure of the proper ruling either), including aspects such as whether sb should be allowed to fold or be made to call as he clearly intended to, and whether the "natural" river could be allowed to stand if all three players in the hand agreed. sb ended up folding, although he originally meant to call. as i admitted earlier, i didn't know if the ruling was correct, since the arguments of some of the other players at the table also seemed to hold some merit. and what in the world does knowing the proper ruling and playing in a game of that size have to do with each other? last i checked, if you have the money you can sit down. your sort of logic is much more frighteningly stupid than someone freely admitting they don't know something and asking a question.
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#10
09-20-2005, 09:22 AM
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Re: river card is dealt before last player gets to act: ruling?
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and what in the world does knowing the proper ruling and playing in a game of that size have to do with each other [/ QUOTE ] This is a common situation that you will see once every few sessions (sometimes more with certain dealers), it is suprising (but less so with the rise of internet poker) for someone to be playing in a higher limit game that is unfamiliar with what happens when the dealer deals prematurly.
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