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Old 06-26-2005, 08:30 PM
AZK AZK is offline
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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) converter

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="#C00000">CO ($2167.72)</font>
<font color="#C00000">Button ($1843)</font>
SB ($1325)
BB ($1107)
UTG ($3181.44)
UTG+1 ($1427)
MP1 ($6271.94)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($3837.68)</font>
MP3 ($1998.72)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $10.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $80</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $80, Button calls $80, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($270) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $175</font>, CO calls $175, Button calls $175.

Turn: ($795) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, CO checks, Button checks.

River: ($795) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>


My default is to check since I'm probably only going to be called/raised by the flush by at least one of these players. But the CO is a total donk, he doubled me up a few hands ago preflop all in AQ vs 33 (side info: He minraised UTG the whole table called, I raised out of the blind, he minraised, I pushed, he called. His minraises weren't real hands). He plays too loose and too passive for his looseness when he isn't leading the action Button has done some donktastic things in small pots, and is generally quiet...

Edit: If you check, do you call a bet, and if so, how much?
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Old 06-26-2005, 10:11 PM
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Jesus, is this hand really boring? Is the river check standard?
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Old 06-26-2005, 11:43 PM
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Jesus, is this hand really boring? Is the river check standard?

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I dunno, seems like bet/fold or check/call are your options, and I'm not one to tell you which one is better.
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Old 06-27-2005, 12:15 AM
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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) converter

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="#C00000">CO ($2167.72)</font>
<font color="#C00000">Button ($1843)</font>
SB ($1325)
BB ($1107)
UTG ($3181.44)
UTG+1 ($1427)
MP1 ($6271.94)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($3837.68)</font>
MP3 ($1998.72)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $10.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $80</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $80, Button calls $80, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($270) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $175</font>, CO calls $175, Button calls $175.

Turn: ($795) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, CO checks, Button checks.

River: ($795) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>


My default is to check since I'm probably only going to be called/raised by the flush by at least one of these players. But the CO is a total donk, he doubled me up a few hands ago preflop all in AQ vs 33 (side info: He minraised UTG the whole table called, I raised out of the blind, he minraised, I pushed, he called. His minraises weren't real hands). He plays too loose and too passive for his looseness when he isn't leading the action Button has done some donktastic things in small pots, and is generally quiet...

Edit: If you check, do you call a bet, and if so, how much?

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I can see some possible value to betting on the river, although I think a check is probably better with these opponents. If you bet say 1/4 of the pot and fold to a raise, that might be better than checking and calling a bet of 1/2 the pot on the end, as an example.

It seems highly likely that one of them has a flush given the 2 calls on the flop and that both players checked behind on the turn (seeming to make a draw more likely). I would probably check and call a small river bet. I didn't get the impression that these players were especially good or likely to bluff the river, so if there was a big river bet folding is probably best.
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Old 06-27-2005, 12:46 AM
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Default Re: check or bet

i really don't like a 1/4 bet and fold to a raise in this spot, a 1/4 bet SMELLS of blocking bet and any aggressive player will take the opportunity to steal it away.

i like checking to see what CO does, and what the button does in response. that way if the CO feels like taking an idiot stab at the pot, you'll see what button does. if CO bets, and button calls/raises here, it's an easy muck. and if button folds, then you can call mr. donktastic CO.

betting imo creates so many more questionable situations, where you will be too unsure of whether or not you're folding the best hand.
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Old 06-27-2005, 01:14 AM
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Edit: If you check, do you call a bet, and if so, how much?

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I would probably call the donk. He sounds like the kind of player who would have raised with a flush draw on the flop or bet it when checked to on the turn.

The other player???
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