Jd 4d preflop

I'm a little bit suprised this is a disucssion point. Surely any two hi/lo suited combo (Ks 2s, Qh 3h etc etc) is worth a call if the value is good in late position and nobody has opened the pot yet...no more to it? And that's only a cash game if you ask me!!!

[2+2 wannabe]

come on guys - it makes 2 straights, 1 flush, 2 sets of quads, 6 sets of trips, countless two pair hands - you raise this [censored] up! +++++++EV

[timprov]

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come on guys - it makes 2 straights, 1 flush, 2 sets of quads, 6 sets of trips, countless two pair hands - you raise this [censored] up! +++++++EV

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And there's always the possibility of winning a kicker war with trips, quads, or two pair on the board. That's like 20% extra value right there.

[CallMeIshmael]

When I read the title of this thread, I thought to myself "this is going to be brilliant".

It was.

[Catt]

One thing no one has mentioned is that quite often either of the straights you make with this hand include an A -- and you get so much action from the LAGtards with an A on board that this hand's straight value alone is a virtual currency printing press.

[JFB37]

What about cold calling raises? I think that there is real potential here as well. I mean, come on, I've seen people raise with stuff like:

AA
KK
QQ
JJ
TT
99
88
77
66
AKs
AKo
AQs
AQo
ATs
ATo
KQs
KQ

. . . to name just a few. If the flop comes with a Jack in it you are crushing all but the first four hands in the list, as well as other crappy stuff like 87s that those so-called LAG's are always raising with. Think how many times you are going to stack those over aggressive fools.