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#21
08-22-2005, 08:57 PM
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Re: Crazy thing I almost never do against a LAP
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if you're so sure of these reads then check/fold seems like the obviously correct play. [/ QUOTE ] There's a difference between having a good idea about the hands he might hold after he bets and after he raises. The villian is passive but arkady did raise one limper from the CO so he could have a worse A or even a K or a pocket pair and decide to bet these hands. 
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#22
08-22-2005, 08:57 PM
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Re: Crazy thing I almost never do against a LAP
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[ QUOTE ] I think LPPs bet with JJ and QQ here too. [/ QUOTE ] (i know that's my point) [/ QUOTE ] Well I'm trying to support arkady here by saying that an LPP will NEVER raise with this, but he will ALWAYS bet with it. If this is true, arkady's line is optimal. However, there are lots of exceptions so there's a gray area.
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#23
08-22-2005, 09:01 PM
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Re: Crazy thing I almost never do against a LAP
Here is something to consider.
If you think you are beat on the flop to either AA or AK why didn't you fold the flop? You don't have the odds to continue. The play I like better is to lead the flop or C/R the flop. You are likely to find out if you have the best hand sooner & cheaper by doing this.
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#24
08-22-2005, 09:02 PM
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Re: Crazy thing I almost never do against a LAP
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Here is something to consider. If you think you are beat on the flop to either AA or AK why didn't you fold the flop? You don't have the odds to continue. The play I like better is to lead the flop or C/R the flop. You are likely to find out if you have the best hand sooner & cheaper by doing this. [/ QUOTE ] Because an LPP plays QQ-JJ the same way
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#25
08-22-2005, 09:08 PM
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Re: Crazy thing I almost never do against a LAP
I dont know...its possible I suppose - he could.
To address the flop raise, I didnt really think about. My feeling regarding the flop probe bet is that even passive people are capable of raising silly holdings, nobody online takes the flop seriously. However against this guy, it might have been better to just fold to a flop raise. But that requires an even better read and I would prefer to have closer to 1k hands before I do that.
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#27
08-22-2005, 09:10 PM
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Re: Crazy thing I almost never do against a LAP
C/Ring the flop imo is silly, he might actually fold a worse hand and it will provide little information. So let's say he 3-bets, then what? Fold to the 3-bet? No one would do that...i am certainly not capable.
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#29
08-22-2005, 09:52 PM
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I think you are making this to compliacted...
You want to show this down. You know he won't give you a lot of action with a worse hand. You know he's probably continuation betting the flop near 100% of the time.
His range of hands here includes things that have you crushed, and some holding you have crushed like TT, JJ, QQ. You also mention that he calls down with any piece. So if he check behind the the turn, he is ALWAYS calling a river bet. So showdown this hand! It's that simple, check call the turn, and if he checks behind value bet the river. Gabe
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#30
08-22-2005, 10:04 PM
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Re: I think you are making this to compliacted...
As long as you're very confident in your read, I see nothing wrong with your line. You save a bet when behind and gain a bet when ahead, because he would likely check behind either the turn or the river. As a default c/c is the way to go though.
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