The dreaded Raise/Fold to 3-bet

deepsquat · #1 12-11-2005, 02:53 AM

please dont do this again.

Im torn between capping the flop or keeping UTG in with possibly a weakish spade.

Just call down after the turn 3bet. This could be QJ KsQ etc

LoaferGee12 · #2 12-11-2005, 03:05 AM

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Just call down after the turn 3bet. This could be QJ KsQ etc

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No, it really couldn't. Not unless this guy is a LAG.

deepsquat · #3 12-11-2005, 03:13 AM

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Just call down after the turn 3bet. This could be QJ KsQ etc

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No, it really couldn't. Not unless this guy is a LAG.

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your joking right?

LoaferGee12 · #4 12-11-2005, 03:26 AM

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Just call down after the turn 3bet. This could be QJ KsQ etc

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No, it really couldn't. Not unless this guy is a LAG.

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your joking right?

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No. I've shown plenty of aggression and he's still fighting back on an extremelmy coordinated board.

deepsquat · #5 12-11-2005, 03:31 AM

you have no read, you cant fold this imo. What limit is this?

LoaferGee12 · #6 12-11-2005, 03:46 AM

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you have no read, you cant fold this imo. What limit is this?

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1/2. While I agree that I may have needed a call-down here, I really don't think KQ/QJ are in his range. I think straight is the only other possibility.

deepsquat · #7 12-11-2005, 03:50 AM

dude, hes an unknown, you have no idea what his range is. He could be 65/0 and limping JJ or a postflop LAG going beserk with Ks.

This is 1/2, folding this is a crime.

yellowjack · #8 12-11-2005, 04:34 AM

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you have no read, you cant fold this imo. What limit is this?

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1/2. While I agree that I may have needed a call-down here, I really don't think KQ/QJ are in his range. I think straight is the only other possibility.

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You're right, another KT is the only reasonable hand at this point. Raising the turn with the intention of folding to a 3-bet costs as much as showing this down. Given all the bets you put it on the flop calling down is better than raising and then folding the turn.

What are your thoughts on raising the turn? Are we extracting from a 4-card flush/two pair? Thoughts on possibly getting pushed off the best hand because he's too laggy?