AKo Post Flop at $50+5 - Page 2

burgi · #11 08-10-2005, 07:16 PM

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I increase the initial raise amount according to how many limpers are in front of me, the more the merrier. After 4 limpers I might even push my whole stack with AK.

Still though, I feel these are minor details and I like the way you played it.

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Ok, thanks for the clarification on why you would raise more preflop! As I said, I didn't agree or disagree with you, I just wanted to know the reasoning, so I can think about it myself and adjust my play accordingly! Thanks for your response and explanation!

lastchance · #12 08-10-2005, 07:26 PM

Preflop: t150 is standard.

Flop: Interesting... You're not afraid of the free card, are you? Are there any hands that aren't going to pay you off with a bad turn, whatever that is? Letting a gutshot hit might not be a bad idea here..

I think checking behind is ok here. But, you can always bet out. You are pot-committed after betting though, and if t175 is a good idea, I think checking that turn should also be.

Of course, you are losing your stack to the FH. I'm just wondering if there are spots where you can get chips in when you're ahead.

ilya · #13 08-10-2005, 07:26 PM

I don't like betting the turn at all. What is the point? If he's behind he has at most 3 outs. Check the turn and maybe call, maybe fold the river depending on your read & your gut; bet if checked to.

burgi · #14 08-10-2005, 08:56 PM

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I don't like betting the turn at all. What is the point? If he's behind he has at most 3 outs. Check the turn and maybe call, maybe fold the river depending on your read & your gut; bet if checked to.

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Really? You would not bet the turn? Why? This is a 55 and eventhough play is a little better than at lower limits, people will definitely call my raises with AQ here for example, eventhough I had no specific read on this player.

I don't even really know why I posted this hand, as I think that there is no way around putting my opponent allin and losing to his set. But, I was just wondering if somebody would ever consider folding this hand postflop, and if yes, why.

ilya · #15 08-10-2005, 08:58 PM

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I don't like betting the turn at all. What is the point? If he's behind he has at most 3 outs. Check the turn and maybe call, maybe fold the river depending on your read & your gut; bet if checked to.

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Really? You would not bet the turn? Why? This is a 55 and eventhough play is a little better than at lower limits, people will definitely call my raises with AQ here for example, eventhough I had no specific read on this player.

I don't even really know why I posted this hand, as I think that there is no way around putting my opponent allin and losing to his set. But, I was just wondering if somebody would ever consider folding this hand postflop, and if yes, why.

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Because if you check behind on the turn he will call you on the river with a wider range. He'll also bluff river sometimes whereas he would have folded on the turn.
Also if you play with the same people a lot it'll get you bluffed out less on the river when you cont-bet with say TT on flop and check turn.
Also you might be able to get away on the river or at least save some chips.

burgi · #16 08-10-2005, 09:02 PM

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Because if you check behind on the turn he will call you on the river with a wider range. He'll also bluff river sometimes whereas he would have folded on the turn.

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Interesting! I like it! Thanks for explaining this to me! I'm still learning and trying to get better, so any advice with some explanation for it is highly appreciated!
But, let's say I check the turn and he pushes the river, I call, right? I'm pretty sure the answer is yes, just want to make sure! lol

ilya · #17 08-10-2005, 09:05 PM

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But, let's say I check the turn and he pushes the river, I call, right? I'm pretty sure the answer is yes, just want to make sure! lol

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You're welcome but please take my advice with a grain of salt, I can come off as more authoritative than I have a right to. I don't even play the $50s myself.

On the river I think I would usually call, but I wouldn't be that happy about it.

burgi · #18 08-10-2005, 09:12 PM

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But, let's say I check the turn and he pushes the river, I call, right? I'm pretty sure the answer is yes, just want to make sure! lol

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You're welcome but please take my advice with a grain of salt, I can come off as more authoritative than I have a right to. I don't even play the $50s myself.

On the river I think I would usually call, but I wouldn't be that happy about it.

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But, on the river, what would you be scared of? The set? I think that if I fold everytime I think my opponent has a set, I would have won a lot less chips than I do this way.

lastchance · #19 08-10-2005, 09:16 PM

I agree with most of this, except I really doubt you can get away with AK here. The pot's huge, you have TPTK. There's almost no bet you are folding to.

However, I do like checking the turn to get more value on the river from weak aces, nines, and random other hands.

ilya · #20 08-10-2005, 09:19 PM

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But, let's say I check the turn and he pushes the river, I call, right? I'm pretty sure the answer is yes, just want to make sure! lol

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You're welcome but please take my advice with a grain of salt, I can come off as more authoritative than I have a right to. I don't even play the $50s myself.

On the river I think I would usually call, but I wouldn't be that happy about it.

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But, on the river, what would you be scared of? The set? I think that if I fold everytime I think my opponent has a set, I would have won a lot less chips than I do this way.

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Not sure, need to think about it more. The preflop call combined with the check-call on the draw-free Ace-high board combined with the turn check make me wary.