is this somthing i should lay down

conslice · #1 05-24-2005, 12:29 AM

no reads really the whole table seemed pretty in controll and i put him on a tier 1/2 hand calling my re raise, with his action on the turn i put him on QQ thinking he smooth called the flop getting me commited

Party Poker Pot-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (10 handed) converter

UTG+2 ($135.15)
MP1 ($69.15)
MP2 ($55.3)
MP3 ($48.5)
CO ($46.35)
Button ($54.35)
SB ($46.75)
Hero ($53.35)
UTG ($50.9)
UTG+1 ($53.6)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.50, UTG+2 calls $0.50, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $2.75, 4 folds, Hero raises to $4.5, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP2 calls $2.25.

Flop: ($11.25) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $6, MP2 calls $6.

Turn: ($23.25) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $6, MP2 raises to $40, hero raises all in 42.35 MP2 calls $2.35.

River: ($71.60) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: $104.95

Sephus · #2 05-24-2005, 12:32 AM

preflop: raise more
flop: bet more
turn: bet more

no you can not lay this down but it's not even an issue if you follow the above.

conslice · #3 05-24-2005, 12:36 AM

its pot limmit and i try not to walk full speed into a set with Aces or kings thats why the bet on flop

pk Wools · #4 05-24-2005, 12:39 AM

i would raise to about 10 preflop, pot the flop if called, and ur stack should be committed

results?

Sephus · #5 05-24-2005, 12:49 AM

i'm not suggesting overbetting the pot.

you need to raise more preflop because the odds you are offering him are too good when you minraise and you want to win more when he flops a lower top pair or a smaller overpair.

you need to bet more on the flop because there are tons of hands that are drawing to beat you and a weak $6 bet is going to invite bluffing that you don't seem to want.

you need to bet more on the turn because you are really asking for him to call and draw on the river to beat you and take your stack when he straightens/fold when he misses. you have top set now you need to get enough money in that if he has pair+str8 draw etc he gets allin by the river.

my advice to you is, when you have a premium pair out of position, bet big preflop and on a flop of unders most every time (dependent somewhat on opposition and flop texture) and give them your stack when they flop a set in position like this and they are a typical party monkey. you will win more in the long run from top pair/smaller overpair and the like.

Sephus · #6 05-24-2005, 12:49 AM

results are villain had AJ.

conslice · #7 05-24-2005, 01:25 AM

like i said its pot limit i cant raise to 10 pre flop i raised nearly max

pk Wools · #8 05-24-2005, 01:25 AM

that's not overbetting pot,

it's just betting pot, work it out u'll see

Sephus · #9 05-24-2005, 01:31 AM

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like i said its pot limit i cant raise to 10 pre flop i raised nearly max

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actually the converter must be messed up because it looks like your raise was too small to be legal. you actually made it $5, right? thats a minumim raise. a potsized raise is to $9.5. i would have made it 8ish at least.

by the way if thats all you have to say about the pot i won't bother you with commenting on your hands any more.

swolfe · #10 05-24-2005, 01:48 AM

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like i said its pot limit i cant raise to 10 pre flop i raised nearly max

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how is a minraise "nearly max"?

.5+.5+2.75+.25 + your 2.75 call = preraise pot of $6.75

6.75+2.75 => you could have made it $9.5 to go