barfing @ 2k PL

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[scdavis0]

is it not safe to say that your opponent is doing this with a strong made hand or a strong draw?

if we can assume this a fold is trivial

What range of hands would you put on pandora..

AA, KK QQ, JJ, 7h8h, 66, 55

think of any others that are reasonable?

[Howard Treesong]

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What range of hands would you put on pandora..

AA, KK QQ, JJ, 7h8h, 66, 55

think of any others that are reasonable?

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Ah6h and KhQh come to mind. AhKh probably isn't limping preflop, but either of the others might.

[creedofhubris]

Those stacks are too big to stick it in there on the flop in an unraised pot. You'd be putting in the 4th bet; even real bad players know that means something huge. If you manage to get it allin on the flop you're either way behind or flipping a coin.

[Howard Treesong]

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Those stacks are too big to stick it in there on the flop in an unraised pot. You'd be putting in the 4th bet; even real bad players know that means something huge. If you manage to get it allin on the flop you're either way behind or flipping a coin.

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I can't give credit to SB for a big hand, so I'm not worried about him.

I agree that Hero's fourth bet is a bright neon sign of massive strength.

But I still wrestle with the notion that you're quite likely to be ahead against Villain's reasonable range. Such a range for an aggressive player (see the KJ example above) might be AhKh, AhQh, AhTh, KhQh, Ah6h, AJ, AA-JJ, 55, 66, 65: in that spot, you're 63:36 in pot equity terms.

There's 600 in the middle, you're facing a 480 bet, and pertinent players each have 2900 behind.

As I think about it more, I think I like a call better, with the intention of betting a non-heart turn.

[creedofhubris]

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Those stacks are too big to stick it in there on the flop in an unraised pot. You'd be putting in the 4th bet; even real bad players know that means something huge. If you manage to get it allin on the flop you're either way behind or flipping a coin.

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I can't give credit to SB for a big hand, so I'm not worried about him.

I agree that Hero's fourth bet is a bright neon sign of massive strength.

But I still wrestle with the notion that you're quite likely to be ahead against Villain's reasonable range. Such a range for an aggressive player (see the KJ example above) might be AhKh, AhQh, AhTh, KhQh, Ah6h, AJ, AA-JJ, 55, 66, 65: in that spot, you're 63:36 in pot equity terms.

There's 600 in the middle, you're facing a 480 bet, and pertinent players each have 2900 behind.

As I think about it more, I think I like a call better, with the intention of betting a non-heart turn.

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My guess is that given the (reasonable) hand range above, hero is now ahead in pot equity terms after a blank turn.

Also, are you accounting for the fact that there are fewer possible comboes of 56, 55, and 66 because of hero's holding?

[RikaKazak]

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What range of hands would you put on pandora..

AA, KK QQ, JJ, 7h8h, 66, 55

think of any others that are reasonable?

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lol, at 5/10, I would say his hand range is MUCH WIDER than that, any str8 draw, or any flush draw are possible.

I call flop and see a turn. A safe turn I probably call then if he pushes on river fold, or hopefully check down.

[Yeti]

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What range of hands would you put on pandora..

AA, KK QQ, JJ, 7h8h, 66, 55

think of any others that are reasonable?

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lol, at 5/10, I would say his hand range is MUCH WIDER than that, any str8 draw, or any flush draw are possible.

I call flop and see a turn. A safe turn I probably call then if he pushes on river fold, or hopefully check down.

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10/20 is many, many, many times more aggressive than the 1k game. 5/10 is pretty tight and ABC. If you got similar action to this at the 1k you are crushed.

Your line is also pretty appalling.

[HiatusOver]

Aren't AA and KK extremely likely hands here?? How are they less likely than 55 or 66 or JJ. Yeti I really dont get this and I respect your opinion, please help me out here.