Illegal Eurobet Software

[Bigdaddydvo]

(Cross posted this on the Software forum)

Just got this this morning:

Dear XXXXXX.


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We would like to inform you that during a routine inspection of your
account
our Investigations Team have discovered the use of illegal software in
conjunction with Coral Eurobet Poker.

At Coral Eurobet Poker we are dedicated to ensuring that no player has
an
unfair advantage over another player, and therefore do not accept the
use of
any software that may provide this through either data mining or using
an
automatic play function.

We request that you do not use any software of this kind in conjunction
with
our Poker Room, and regret to inform you that should your account be
detected using this software again then we will be forced to close the
account.

Coral Eurobet Poker would like to thank you for your co-operation in
this
matter.

Kind regards

Andy

Andy Toben
Gaming Executive.
Coral Eurobet

www.coral.co.uk
www.eurobet.com



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Wanted to post here before calling to see what the deal is. Software wise, all I've used is Poker Tracker/Playerview. The only thing I can think of is that I used Poker Prophecy's 10 free web based searches before I figured out, via this forum, that its software is bannable (never downloaded anything from them). I'm behind the power curve, yes, but this was maybe a week ago. I'd appreciate any insight.

[M Tal]

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The only thing I can think of is that I used Poker Prophecy's 10 free web based searches before I figured ....

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[davehwm]

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The only thing I can think of is that I used Poker Prophecy's 10 free web based searches before I figured ....

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The software is bannable. But, how would typing ten names into their web client be detected by Eurobet?

[teddyFBI]

many other users have reported the exact same thing.
it's the free searches that screwed u

[davehwm]

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many other users have reported the exact same thing.
it's the free searches that screwed u

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Really? I'm out of the loop on this one then. I'd love a technical explanation from someone who can explain how they detect such a thing. And, if they are detecting either 1) what you have open in your web browser 2) the information you're sending through an outside website -- what is the legality of this?

I can think of plenty of ways they can detect software being run 'on top of' or in conjunction with their software, but can't really imagine that they're monitoring information being sent through another website. An e-mail like that would lead me to believe that they're detecting either PT or Playerview.

I'm interested in this so I'm going to do a search, but would appreciate some insight.

[Bigdaddydvo]

I wrote this morning and explained the situation...I think now all is right with the world:

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Dear XXXXXX,

Thank you for for your reply and support regarding this.

Should you have any further questions or queries please do not hesitate to contact me further.

Kind regards
Andy

Andy Toben
Gaming Executive.
Coral Eurobet

www.coral.co.uk
www.eurobet.com


-----Original Message-----
From: John Dvorak [mailto:bigdaddydvorak@yahoo.com]
Sent: 04 October 2005 13:58
To: Poker Manager
Subject: Re: Eurobet Poker Account: Illegal Software


Andy,

I believe I received this email because last week, I used ten free "web searches" of player win/loss records from a site called "Poker Prophecy." At no time did I purchase or install any software of theirs.

I consulted a popular poker forum, www.twoplustwo.com, who informed me that use of Poker Prophecy, a large scale datamining program, violates Eurobet's Term's and Conditions, and is a bannable offense. When learning this, I was concerned that I had used the ten web searches, but felt I was OK since I didn't download any software or have anything to do w/Poker Prophecy after learning about their status as an illegal program.

I learned about Poker Prophecy seeing some of their "spam" in the chat area while playing on Eurobet. I support your efforts to eliminate its use, and think that eliminating their ability to spam would help out appreciably.

As a serious poker player, I share Eurobet's concerns about things like collusion, robots, and other illegal programs. I take great assurance from receiving your email, knowing that Eurobet's commitment to ensuring all poker players have a fair, trustworthy site is rock solid. You are obviously doing a great job. Thanks for the warning, and please let me know that I'm full compliance now with the Terms & Conditions.

Kindly Regards,

XXXXXXXX

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[TheNoodleMan]

would it kill them to actually say "yes, it is the prophecy free search," and clear up any confusion?

[Bigdaddydvo]

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many other users have reported the exact same thing.
it's the free searches that screwed u

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Really? I'm out of the loop on this one then. I'd love a technical explanation from someone who can explain how they detect such a thing. And, if they are detecting either 1) what you have open in your web browser 2) the information you're sending through an outside website -- what is the legality of this?

I can think of plenty of ways they can detect software being run 'on top of' or in conjunction with their software, but can't really imagine that they're monitoring information being sent through another website. An e-mail like that would lead me to believe that they're detecting either PT or Playerview.

I'm interested in this so I'm going to do a search, but would appreciate some insight.

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My guess: There is a cookie of some sort from Poker Prophecy. Eurobet detects the cookie, and matches the time stamp on it with time you've been playing poker on their site. If they match, they warn or ban you.

BTW, last night I withdrew $1K from Eurobet, so I'm wondering if the withdrawal initiated a software audit of my system.

Just a thought.

[CLC]

Your explanation was TOP NOTCH! Even got a gig in there about chat spam.

[Bigdaddydvo]

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Your explanation was TOP NOTCH! Even got a gig in there about chat spam.

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Thanks. I have a feeling these sites will treat you better if you're upfront and honest about what happened.

And yes, chat spam is a big pet peave of mine.