river value raise?

[imported_leader]

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Raise the flop

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I think this is the perfect time to slowplay.

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I think this is the perfect time to get 3-bet by an overpair and then get to raise the turn anyway.

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If only things went according to plan every single time.

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Indeed. BB checked the turn BTW [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[Peter Harris]

played fine. I cannot believe that the two possibilities that beat you (AA and 77) are considered out there. 3 people say call? are you mad?

raise this and cap it. If you are shown either, thats a suckout. You won't get shown then anywhere near as often as you miss bets in this situation.

[thesharpie]

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I cannot believe that the two possibilities that beat you (AA and 77) are considered out there. 3 people say call? are you mad?

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Why would you not consider these hands when they're the largest part of his range, IMO.

[Spicymoose]

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Raise the flop

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I think this is the perfect time to slowplay.

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I think this is the perfect time to get 3-bet by an overpair and then get to raise the turn anyway.

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Indeed. BB checked the turn BTW [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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I think you get to pop the turn far more often then you get to be 3-bet by an overpair on the flop.

[kidcolin]

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I cannot believe that the two possibilities that beat you (AA and 77) are considered out there. 3 people say call? are you mad?

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Why would you not consider these hands when they're the largest part of his range, IMO.

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Because jacks full rules. duh.

[wheelz]

agreed, i used to raise every flop habitually but this looks like a good time to wait till the turn.

[kidcolin]

Sharpie,

If you're basing the likelihood of AA on his low PFR stat, I'd pay more attention to what low PFR guys are actually popping with. Grouped with other stats, it's helpful (i.e., I have a good idea what a 22/17 TAG's range is), but for loose, passive, call stations, I see all sorts of odd stuff. 5 PFR guy opening UTG with JTs, raising from SB with A6s.. it's not quite as rational. I wouldn't be terribly surprised to see AA, but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see 33, A7s, or even K7s.

[mackthefork]

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played fine. I cannot believe that the two possibilities that beat you (AA and 77) are considered out there. 3 people say call? are you mad?

raise this and cap it. If you are shown either, thats a suckout. You won't get shown then anywhere near as often as you miss bets in this situation.

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Hi

I would raise and call a 3 bet, there is a huge chance of AA, and I think a much reduced chance of A7 and 33, 77 is a little MUTBS but still more realistic than either of these two options in my opinion.

Mack

[thesharpie]

I must be retarded 'cause I'm not getting why people don't think it's closer. Even if we give him a range of A7s, K7s, 33, AA, and 77 it's 7 we're beating and 4 we're behind. We probably don't need to be ahead a full 2/3s of the time as he'll often cap a full house because he has a full house, but I imagine he slows down quite often with K7s if he has it, and sometimes with the lower boats.

In actuality I think we should discount the hands we're beating even more. I can understand a 58/6/0.8 doing weird moves like opening K7s from MP yet limping AA and the whole bit, but a 33/6/0.6 seems in line to me for the most part.

[pokergrader]

Raise and call a 3-bet.