JJ UTG+1, facing an all-in reraise and all-in call...

[otnemem]

Level two (blinds 15-30) of an STT on Party. Full table, I have a little over 1300...

UTG folds, I raise to 120 with J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

Two folds, MP (~1000) calls, two more folds.

Button pushes all in for 485, SB calls all in for about 385, BB folds.

Back to me - 1140 in pot, 365 to call with one to act behind me...

What's my move?

[lorinda]

Ask for your 120 back.

Lori

[lorinda]

I think you have to push here.

The reason I personally don't raise with jacks preflop in early position, early game (and there are many good players here who totally disagree with me) is that I hate this type of mess.

Lori

[Tuben]

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I think you have to push here.

The reason I personally don't raise with jacks preflop in early position, early game (and there are many good players here who totally disagree with me) is that I hate this type of mess.

Lori

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Hope you are kidding.

[lorinda]

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Hope you are kidding.

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I wasn't. I'm curious as to which bit though.

Lori

[Tuben]

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Hope you are kidding.

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I wasn't. I'm curious as to which bit though.

Lori

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That you wont raise JJ preflop. Ofcourse you have to raise it preflop [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Maybe not evrytime but almost.

[lorinda]

Ok. Afraid I'll leave you to search that one. You are in the majority, but I won't change my mind, at least in the lower limits.

I will point out that people such as Adanthar and Curtains to name but two are amongst those that disagree, so you're in good company.

Lori

[downtown]

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Hope you are kidding.

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I wasn't. I'm curious as to which bit though.

Lori

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That you wont raise JJ preflop. Ofcourse you have to raise it preflop [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Maybe not evrytime but almost.

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Lori's right that there's at least a nonzero minority that would advocate limping jacks here. (Note, I play $33s) I would limp them most of the time UTG+1 in this spot. I would raise QQ+ every time though in any position.

The theory is that with JJ (and especially lower pairs) you are going to win small pots, lose bigger pots and be lost when an overcard frequently flops. It's just a theory, and it works for me. It's one of those topics that is close.

[schwza]

you've gotta push here. you've got too much invested already to let it go. if fold and they flip up AK and AQ you'll kick yourself, cause those are nice pot odds.

i would raise here at 15/30, but limp at 10/15, fwiw.

[otnemem]

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you've gotta push here. you've got too much invested already to let it go. if fold and they flip up AK and AQ you'll kick yourself, cause those are nice pot odds.

i would raise here at 15/30, but limp at 10/15, fwiw.

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Any thought to the caller in MP?

The options at this point, in order of benefit (IMO) are fold, push, or just call. Calling is pretty much out of the question, giving the MP caller almost 4:1.

A push looks good, assuming MP isn't slow-playing aces or kings. It's the SB call that sort of worries me, though, more than the button push. If the SB had folded, I'd be much more inclined to push here.

Folding and pushing are pretty much at a dead heat here... Folding, I still have a very healthy stack to look for a better spot... Sort of weak tight I guess, but it seems like I could find a more sure and advantageous spot to put them in...