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Old 08-23-2005, 12:13 PM
callmedonnie callmedonnie is offline
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Default Re: 66 heads-up on pretty innocent flop.

In these types of boards in HU pots I have been using the c/r flop lead turn line. It has proved pretty effective lately. However here it looks like Villain is good enough to know you have a small pocket pair. And he doesn't seem at all scared that you might have a set, which on this board can scare some. I have seen players w/ similar stats c/c w/ AK on a board of K52 because of this. Granted, not everyone scares so easy but I think you have to release this one.
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Old 08-23-2005, 12:19 PM
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Default Re: 66 heads-up on pretty innocent flop.

I like a flop check/raise instead.

You're not against JJ often enough to fold the turn the way it played out though and consider also that you may win 3 more bets on the river if you're against AJ or AA.
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Old 08-23-2005, 12:22 PM
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Default Re: 66 heads-up on pretty innocent flop.

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...consider also that you may win 3 more bets on the river if you're against AJ or AA.

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I don't get it. Assuming you hit your two outer?
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Old 08-23-2005, 12:28 PM
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Default Re: 66 heads-up on pretty innocent flop.

With only a 5% pfr, his range of hands might be narrow enough that a flop fold is in order. [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

With a bit of a wider range, I think you can entertain the check/call, check/call, bet line.

I agree with the others who say you can't fold the turn the way it played out.

edit: check fold an Ace or K turn or river.
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Old 08-23-2005, 12:31 PM
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Default Re: 66 heads-up on pretty innocent flop.

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I think your line makes it clear you're beat and clear that you shouldn't fold the turn.

Rob

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shouldn't fold the turn? ahem...? Sorry but I do not understand....

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Look at the pot. Then look at your hand. Then look at the pot again, then look at the board. Therein lies the answer somewhere.

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Old 08-23-2005, 12:31 PM
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Default Re: 66 heads-up on pretty innocent flop.

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I don't get it. Assuming you hit your two outer?

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No, the other four outs.
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Old 08-23-2005, 12:35 PM
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Default Re: 66 heads-up on pretty innocent flop.

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With a bit of a wider range, I think you can entertain the check/call, check/call, bet line.


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Yikers. Don't we wanna make him at least sweat a little bit before he catches his A or K (or other pair)? We aren't wa/wb here, he's got 6 full outs if we're behind.
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Old 08-23-2005, 12:44 PM
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Default Re: 66 heads-up on pretty innocent flop.

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Yikers. Don't we wanna make him at least sweat a little bit before he catches his A or K (or other pair)? We aren't wa/wb here, he's got 6 full outs if we're behind.

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Yeah, but the pot is small for one...so it is not criminal for 1 bet to go in on each street with no "attempt to get him to lay it down.

Aside from check raising the turn, (or maybe donk betting the turn) , it is unlikely that AK is not going to the river anyway.

If we check raise the flop, it is very likely that if the villain hold an overpair, he call the c/r and pop us on the turn. And, many aggressive players (perhaps his numbers don't bear this out, but it is hard to say) will 3-bet the flop with overs. So we can make some bad folds, even after putting in 1 BB in a smallish pot.

The more weaker and more straightforward my opponent, the more I like a flop c/r. The better and more solid my opponent, the more I like a check/call, check/call, bet line.

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Old 08-23-2005, 12:46 PM
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Default Re: 66 heads-up on pretty innocent flop.

My bad. Those make it much closer. Implied odds make up for pot odds that are slightly short. I think a call is probably best.
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Old 08-23-2005, 12:53 PM
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Default Re: 66 heads-up on pretty innocent flop.

Bad fold on the turn. Need to call here -- 6 outs with enough pot odds -- and better implied odds -- I don't think you are getting much more than one bet on the river -- but you might.
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