Doyle's a scumbag? - Page 3

Jorge10 · #21 10-05-2005, 06:24 PM

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But if you waltz into a $300-$600 mixed game or a big no limit game where you don't know the players (or don't know them well), and you bring your $200k bankroll and start playing regularly, you're going to look like a mark to someone. And if you stick around long enough, some people are going to treat you like a mark until you wise up. That's not just the way poker is... that's the way life is.

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In a big casino?

I could see it happening in games that arent watched, but the big casino games are. In the Bellagio being cheated? Seems kind of crazy in my opinion, I mean why? You can make so much more by playing fair and crushing the same people over and over.

Ed Miller · #22 10-05-2005, 06:35 PM

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In a big casino?

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Yes.

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I could see it happening in games that arent watched, but the big casino games are. In the Bellagio being cheated? Seems kind of crazy in my opinion, I mean why?

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I'm not talking about any one specific poker room. I'm saying that there's lots of money to be made cheating high level games, and you're crazy if you think no one is attempting to do it.

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You can make so much more by playing fair and crushing the same people over and over.

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I don't cheat, so yes, I make more playing fair. But cheaters make way more than they would if they didn't cheat. That's why they cheat.

Again, I don't mean to be alarmist at all. Most poker games are 100% square, especially ones at small and medium stakes. I don't feel I've ever really been cheated. And if I have, I've done fine in small and medium games despite being cheated.

But your attitude is very naive.

Ed Miller · #23 10-05-2005, 06:46 PM

If you think it's improbable that people would try to cheat while "being watched" in a casino, look at the stock market. The SEC & Company "watches" the stock market a lot more closely than anyone watches poker games. And even Martha Stewart tried to cheat the stock market.

In fact, there are no doubt some people trying to cheat both at poker and at the stock market. It's just the way some people are.

Dan Mezick · #24 10-05-2005, 07:33 PM

Doyle ....and the market...hmmm...there has to be a real good, WPTE joke in here somewhere.

Luv2DriveTT · #25 10-05-2005, 08:22 PM

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In fact, there are no doubt some people trying to cheat both at poker and at the stock market. It's just the way some people are.

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no comment, other than your post was truly fantastic on multiple levels.

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bernie · #26 10-05-2005, 09:42 PM

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some people are going to treat you like a mark until you wise up.

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Then they may ask you to join the team... [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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I don't know what "Matador-like" means

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Refers to the TV series 'tilt'.(ring a bell?) He'd load the table with 'his' players.

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Jorge10 · #27 10-05-2005, 10:19 PM

I guess I didnt clarify, this thread was about the most famous players cheating, which I said of course not.

I do agree with what you said I mean im sure people try to cheat all the time at the higher levels, not just in poker, but any of the casino games in general. What im trying to say is that the players that have been around for a while dont cheat. Thats why I said why would they cheat.

I was not specific enough.

MCS · #28 10-05-2005, 10:31 PM

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Thats why I said why would they cheat.

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To make money? Even slight or merely understood collusion is very valuable at $4000/8000.

Jorge10 · #29 10-05-2005, 11:16 PM

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To make money? Even slight or merely understood collusion is very valuable at $4000/8000.

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They are going to win anyway, why not just do it fairly, im just saying they are going to win anyway so they dont need any cheating. Also people always find out, I mean no new players would be able to survive at those levels, it would be found out if everyone was cheating.

Howard Burroughs · #30 10-05-2005, 11:21 PM

"What section is this in?"

Page 25.

Barry says......

"Years later when I finally took a shot at the bigger game, Chip and Doyle were extremely nice to me. I came to realize that great players are nice to new players. They don't win by cheating, but by getting people involved. A good gambler gets people to gamble with him and finds situations where he can beat them out of their money. In the course of playing with them, it also became obvious to me that Chip and Doyle were not partners, but were friendly rivals."

Best of Luck

Howard