I am the Donk. Fix me.

[JihadOnTheRiver]

1 orbit, no reads. WTF am I doing? Sometimes I do these things and ask myself, WHILE my right hand is freaking clicking the wrong button, "WTF are you doing?" This is one of those times. I need to know if, once I pair on the turn, am I committed to the river? Should I be raising? Why the F didn't I just fold PF?

Party Poker (10 handed) $1 big blinds. All relevant stack sizes are ~$100.converter touches little boys

Preflop: Hero is SB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">7 folds</font>, Hero completes, BB checks.

($3 pot)Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets $3, Hero calls, BB folds.

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG bets $6, Hero calls.

River: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

OK, so now what? I've donked up to this point, time to make a decent decision...

Flame away,
-Jihad

[NYCNative]

I'd probably play it thre same way except I might have raised the turn since the card looked like I hit a straight and might be able to take it down right there.

I make a value bet on the river of around $12 and call a reasonable raise. What do you put villain on here? He could have anything from TPTK to two pairs to a boat if he had the other three. I doubt he has the straight and most of his other holdings you beat.

[MagicMan08]

What?

[JihadOnTheRiver]

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[ajmargarine]

Fold preflop, fold on the flop, fold on the turn, then bet like crazy on the river.

[edge]

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Fold preflop, fold on the flop, fold on the turn, then bet like crazy on the river.

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Complete preflop, bet the flop, bet the turn, bet the river.

[AgentBishop]

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Fold preflop, fold on the flop, fold on the turn, then bet like crazy on the river.

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Complete preflop, bet the flop, bet the turn, bet the river.

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Lots of advise here, huh. My advise might not be outstanding but at least he has some knowledge of how to play a hand that is similar. Not what to do in this exact situation that won't happen often enough for your post to be of any help. Padding the post count?

I think, if you have to ask(not to be rude), you should fold preflop. Because odiously you don't play well enough post flop to make these tough decisions. So,
Pre-flop:
fold
Flop:
1. check raise if he is weak tight and makes continuations bets a lot. Then bet out on the turn if a blank or straight scare card hits.
2. fold unless you are REALLY sure you can get paid off if you hit. 2:1 pots odds on an, at best, 4.88:1 shot doesn't help your long term EV.
Turn:
fold. 13 total outs to two pair or better but only 8 are "clean" outs and 5 "dirty" outs that could give villain a straight or a flush. So guestimate 11 outs, so that's a 3.18:1 shot on 2:1 odds he's giving you again.
River:
2/3 pot for value and call a reasonable raise.

[edge]

I much prefer to be in charge of a hand. The preflop decision can go either way; it doesn't make a huge difference if you complete or fold.

On the flop, you have eight outs to a huge hand in a 3-way unraised pot. Since your hand can take a lot of heat, and can stand a raise, bet out and see if anyone has something worth calling. A lot of the time, you'll take it down on the flop and the hand is over. The times you don't, you still have eight outs to a big hand.

If he smoothcalls the flop, the turn improves your hand. Now you may have as many as five more outs, giving you a total of thirteen winning outs on the river. What range of hands can a villain have after calling the flop? The flush draw is quite possible, and you don't want to take your foot off the pedal against someone drawing to the flush. Make him pay to hit his card against odds. He could also have a 6 or 5, in which case he'll fold to a turn bet most of the time. If he has a T or is slowplaying something, you still have eight outs to beat him, and if he calls to lay the trap again, you can hurt him big on the river if you hit.

On the river, you just hit a totally hidden trips. If he has a T, you have him crushed. If he has two pair, even worse for him. If you think he was on a flush draw, check/call to snap off a bluff; otherwise, bet 2/3-3/4 of the pot since you're beating more possible hands than you're losing to.

One other reason to play this aggressively is to help your other hands. You should be betting flops like this with a wide range of hands, from draws to sets to absolute nothing. Again, a lot of the time, this flop won't have hit anyone hard, and you can take it down. Since you're in the SB, you can represent hitting rag flops that limpers would have missed.

When I look at your advice to fold because of odds, it just boosts my reasoning for betting. If you take charge of the hand, you force people to fold better made hands and hands that are drawing very live against you because they're not getting proper odds. Little do they know that your made hand is four-high at the moment.

[Macquarie]

You say we have eight outs on the flop, and if villain calls he's very possibly on the flush. Surely then we only have six outs that can stand any sort of heat?

Isn't this sort of agressive straight draw play much stronger on a rainbow board?

[poboy]

C/R the flop and lead the turn. If you don't improve give up on the river if it gets there. The way the hand played out lead the river for ~$15. JMO