9c8c blind defense at 3/6

[Aces McGee]

I've found myself in a lot of blind steal/blind defense situations at the Party 3/6 lately, and I know that's a popular game among this crowd. I think some good discussion can come from this hand.

UTG+1 in this hand is a possible 2+2er. His handle is similar to a 2+2 handle, and he's been playing pretty tight preflop. My image at the table is probably pretty loose and aggressive; I've been doing a lot of isolating and open-raising from late positions, but my hands haven't been hitting and I'm stuck a buyin or so.

UTG+1 openraises. Folded to me and I defend with 9c8c. Heads up.

Tc 7h 2h
I check, he bets, I raise, he 3-bets, I call.

Turn is Th [Tc 7h 2h]
I bet.

Comments? I'll respond to any questions/posts tonight.

-McGee

[LImitPlayer]

I'd probably play it the same way.

[imported_leader]

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[imported_leader]

Doesn't anyone think CR is better then just betting out? (on the turn)

[dark_horse]

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Doesn't anyone think CR is better then just betting out? (on the turn)

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depends on the player. hero's flop c/r tells villian he has a ten, villian's 3bet could mean "no, i have a ten/overpair" or, "i don't believe you and i think my high cards/middle pocket pair are good."

checking on the turn with the intention of raising isn't bad, but villian might be scared that he's going for a c/r since he knows he's expected to bet since hero only called the flop 3bet. villian could fold to a c/r, however. getting it checked behind on the turn isn't a disaster, as it does give hero a free shot at the gutshot. but betting out does look like a stop n go, hoping to 3bet if villian chooses to raise turn. if villian raises turn and hero 3bets turn, it could get villian to lay down an overpair. it's not out of the question to defend in the BB with a ten in your hand without 3betting preflop.

if i had the ten i'd be betting out on the turn to confuse the villian, knowing he's probably a good player, hoping it gets him to not believe i had the ten. checking the turn without the ten probably is only asking villian to bet, though, and would put hero in a difficult spot. i like the bet, and fold to a raise.

if villian just calls the bet on the turn, however, i'm absolutely lost on the river if i don't hit anything. i'm probably check/folding.

[imported_leader]

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i like the bet, and fold to a raise.

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I got you up to this point but now I'm confused. Hero has an OESD he can't fold.

[crunchy1]

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UTG+1 in this hand is a possible 2+2er. His handle is similar to a 2+2 handle, and he's been playing pretty tight preflop.

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A tight-playing 2+2er is not likely trying to steal from EP. I would not consider this to be a blind defense hand.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with how you played it. But, it's not a blind defense hand in the traditional sense of the term.

[thejameser]

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UTG+1 in this hand is a possible 2+2er. His handle is similar to a 2+2 handle, and he's been playing pretty tight preflop.

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A tight-playing 2+2er is not likely trying to steal from EP. I would not consider this to be a blind defense hand.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with how you played it. But, it's not a blind defense hand in the traditional sense of the term.

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crunchy is never wrong.

[dark_horse]

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i like the bet, and fold to a raise.

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I got you up to this point but now I'm confused. Hero has an OESD he can't fold.

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My bad, you're right. It's not a gutshot, so he has to see the river.

[Aces McGee]

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But, it's not a blind defense hand in the traditional sense of the term.

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Fair enough.

-McGee