opposite day...

[DcifrThs]

mid position MP is very agressive preflop and pretty bad overall. bb is bad loose.

MP raises i call QTdd in sb, bb calls.

flop Q93 rb no diamond. usually i c'r this flop but i bet this time. bb thinks and folds MP calls.

turn J i check.

Barron

[TazQ]

Are you betting the flop hoping to 3-bet, or calling a raise and CRing a nice looking turn card?

I rather bet the turn to give him a chance to raise with a weaker holding. I like the CR on the turn if the player is decent->good, not against a very aggressive overall bad player.

Explain to me why you checked the turn? Are you checking and calling becuz you have outs and dont want to pay extra in case youre behind? Or are you checking with the intention of raising in an attempt to get full value out of this hand?

[DeeJ]

I suspect the latter because he's against an aggressive player, and the flop bet he knows is discounted as far as meaning anything at all....

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I suspect the latter because he's against an aggressive player, and the flop bet he knows is discounted as far as meaning anything at all....

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Its interesting that you said that becuz I suspected that Barron was checking this turn with the intention of calling. I imagined that his reasoning went something like this: He knows that this aggressive player will always bet if he checks, so checking and calling gets the same amount of money in the pot as betting. But the upside of checking and calling is that barron can never get raised when the aggressive player happens to have a better hand, and barron may also induce the aggressive player to bet a hand with very few outs that the aggressive player mightve even folded had Barron bet out the turn. I really think check raising this turn on this board is a bit over the top for Barron's holding. So thats why I think Barron is checking and calling here. I could be way off here, but thats my best guess.

[DeeJ]

ok, but Barron also said that MP is 'very bad' which means I think he expects MP to bet the turn with a wide range of hands. as you also say , I could be way off here [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[nokia1566]

Sounds like from the title of his post that he is intending to check raise this turn... (he would normally check raise the flop and bet the turn, instead he bet the flop and is now check raising the turn).

[Jeffage]

I would almost guarante DC is checkraising the turn here. I like it a lot.

Jeff

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I would almost guarante DC is checkraising the turn here. I like it a lot.

Jeff

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I really dont like checkraising Top pair, ten kicker, on a QJ9x board. I believe that Barron will be 3 bet too often to make this play worth it. Although the turn jack card gave barron a nice draw, this cannot be a card barron wanted to see since this card can possibly improve the villians hand more than it improved Barron's hand. Once again I will reiterate that I can be way off here, just letting you know why I think Barron is check/calling the turn.

[DcifrThs]

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I would almost guarante DC is checkraising the turn here. I like it a lot.

Jeff

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I really dont like checkraising Top pair, ten kicker, on a QJ9x board. I believe that Barron will be 3 bet too often to make this play worth it. Although the turn jack card gave barron a nice draw, this cannot be a card barron wanted to see since this card can possibly improve the villians hand more than it improved Barron's hand. Once again I will reiterate that I can be way off here, just letting you know why I think Barron is check/calling the turn.

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no. i was checkraising the turn. im indifferent to villian's bet or check. if he checks behind very few cards can improve his hand. an A or maybe one or twoother cards on the river would be bad.

given that the bb folded on the flop this guy would raise many holdings. i bet planning to bet/3bet b/c i expected a raise. when he just called, i put him on a hand possibly like KJ/AK/AJ/AT almost all of those hands he'd bet if i checked the turn and then be forced (in his mind) to call the c'r.

-Barron

if i get 3bet im still in good shape b/c i have tons of outs.