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Old 02-08-2005, 10:53 PM
Daliman Daliman is offline
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Default What do you think of this play?

I am having a disagreement with a friend about this hand. I would like to see what other have to say about the play of hero.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (4 handed) converter

Button (t280)
SB (t5040)
BB (t2530)
Hero (t2150)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t2150 (All-In)</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls t1750.

Flop: (t4500) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Turn: (t4500) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t4500) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t4500
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Old 02-08-2005, 10:57 PM
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Default Re: What do you think of this play?

Read this thread.
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Old 02-08-2005, 10:59 PM
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Default Re: What do you think of this play?

A7h is not in the same realm as 88.
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Old 02-08-2005, 11:03 PM
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Default Re: What do you think of this play?

what r u implying finch?
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Old 02-08-2005, 11:30 PM
AtticusFinch AtticusFinch is offline
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Default Re: What do you think of this play?

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what r u implying finch?

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A7s and 88 are both hands one would normally push with here. The issue is there is a very short stack due to bust out imminently, so do you push with a good but not premier pushing hand or not? The two hands are not equivalent, but the thread discusses the general situation, not the specific hand. As far as that goes, you're in exactly the same boat, and all the same arguments apply. So read the other thread. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 02-08-2005, 11:32 PM
Michael C. Michael C. is offline
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Default Re: What do you think of this play?

I don't think they're the same at all. The most likely calling hand is Ax or a pair. With A7 you're a big dog to almost any caller. With 88 you're ahead of a lot of the hands that will call you here.
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Old 02-08-2005, 11:16 PM
The Yugoslavian The Yugoslavian is offline
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Default Re: What do you think of this play?

I think Dali's situation is significantly different. He's under the gun and his stack is smaller in relation to his main opponents.

I wish I knew the texture of the $215 games better b/c I'm not sure my opinion on this hand will be of any use.

I would imagine that in a $215 only very upper echelon hands of the BB will call you here. However, if you've been pushing a lot I can see the SB calling you with a decently large range of hands hoping to catch you stealing and taking a huge chip lead on the field.

Hmmmmm....I was thinking push but now I'm not so sure. I'd probably fold and wait until ITM to duke it out.

Yugoslav
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Old 02-08-2005, 11:33 PM
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I think Dali's situation is significantly different. He's under the gun and his stack is smaller in relation to his main opponents.

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OK, good points, I didn't examine the two hands closely enough, but I reiterate that many of the same issues discussed in that thread are pertinent here. It may not resolve the issue, but it certainly adds to the discussion.

88 is a significantly better hand than A7o, I will agree. But the same question applies. Do you push and risk busting out on the bubble when a &lt;1bb stack is due to bust out this orbit?
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Old 02-08-2005, 11:05 PM
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Default Re: What do you think of this play?

For me to comment on how you play a hand would be similar to the town-drunk/village idiot being asked to review this Sunday's sermon
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Old 02-08-2005, 11:07 PM
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For me to comment on how you play a hand would be similar to the town-drunk/village idiot being asked to review this Sunday's sermon

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But what if the sermon were on the evils of alcohol and the Rev. needed a technical advisor?
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