A high river call

JaBlue · #1 12-20-2005, 08:30 PM

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the problem as zeebo says is alot of the missed draws (straight draws) hit apair, 68 did get there, and you have high diamonds making flushdraw for villain unlikely.i make more ace high call downs then I should, but I fold here.

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This guy is very loose, so me having the A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] hardly affects his drawing range (that is, he is likely to have a lot of hands like 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img])

The point that some draws made a pair and that some draws got there is very valid though. I thought that he could have 86 but he could also have J10 or some crap.

BobboFitos · #2 12-20-2005, 08:39 PM

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he could also have J10

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fwiw that is his most likely bluffing hand, and if you called -> won, you see that, but not much else when you callyou beat... I understand what you say when "wouldnt peoplecheck with a pair on the river", and the sad truth is so many dont. Alot of people dont think about what their opponents have, (yes, at 5-10) alot dont care, alot just base their decision on "Oh man he checked I need to bet since he's weak!".

I see alot of people betting with smallpairs in this spot. Interestingly though, I see it because I callwith ace high,somaybe they're onalevel beyond me, and know I will callwithace high... [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

JaBlue · #3 12-20-2005, 08:46 PM

It is incredibly satisfying to make a bet with unimproved 55 on the river and get called by A-high but I digress.

Anyway, I called and he had 78 and my hand was not good [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]. I guess a fold was in order.

#4 12-20-2005, 08:51 PM

I guess I don't have a great explanation, but this looks like a fold. I don't think any hands really make sense with the line he took, even if the river is a bluff(if hes bluffing a missed draw, he shouldn't have been drawing to begin with, except maybe Td8d). From what it seems to me, and other people are saying, this villian looks fairly bad and you will end up with his money anyway. No need to pay off a terrible play on his part.