Protecting my overpair

private joker · #1 08-19-2005, 02:23 AM

Very early in the session, no stats/reads.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 raises, 2 folds, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 caps, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (15 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, MP2 raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls.

Turn: (11 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 raises, Hero calls.

River: (15 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 17 BB

paperboyNC · #2 08-19-2005, 02:25 AM

If this were 3/6, I'd say that your opponent has KK or AA for sure. But it's 5/10 so he could have a lot of hands that you beat (77+, AK, AQ, AJ)

With no reads, I think you played it well.

SackUp · #3 08-19-2005, 02:31 AM

Looks standard, though you have to think you are pretty far behind most of the time after a capped flop and being raised on the turn after a 3 bet. Unless this guy caps with more than QQ-AA and AK.

Nick C · #4 08-19-2005, 02:33 AM

The turn raise looks like trouble to me.

But that's 3/6. I don't know 5/10 yet, really.

I think it's fine.

private joker · #5 08-19-2005, 02:38 AM

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The turn raise looks like trouble to me.

But that's 3/6. I don't know 5/10 yet, really.

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Turn raises are more suspicious in 5/10 than 3/6, but I don't think they're *that* suspicious.

This hand may be standard, but it shouldn't be the standard. I think if we're always calling down here, we have a leak. I just recognized that this is a leak for me, and I'm going to try to plug it.

Sure, sometimes he has TT, but the vast majority he has QQ-AA, and it's -EV to call down 2 more and find out. Regardless of results, I -- and all of you -- should fold to the turn raise here.

paperboyNC · #6 08-19-2005, 02:42 AM

I disagree. I think the correct play requires stats/reads. Against a rock, you definitely fold.

Nick C · #7 08-19-2005, 02:46 AM

Yeah, yeah. But I've just been bullied into calling down with the best hand at 5/10 so often now, after just over 1K hands.

I was an eagle at 5/10 for a stretch, which felt weird. (Edit: I have, however, now resumed being a TAG, though I'm not sLA-A yet [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img].)

I haven't adjusted yet.

And I don't know how good it is to mix 5/10 full and 3/6 6-max, but that's what I've been doing.

private joker · #8 08-19-2005, 02:50 AM

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I disagree. I think the correct play requires stats/reads.

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Obviously reads are better than no reads. But if it's an unknown, you should be folding to the turn raise. Occasionally you'll be wrong because you didn't have a read that he was a LAG. But the probability is that you're beat. Calling down is -EV.

paperboyNC · #9 08-19-2005, 02:53 AM

True. I think that in general, I need to fold more on the turn to a raise, particularly a check raise.

Thanks for the advice and illustration. I don't play 5/10 much, but at 3/6 I would expect KK-AA about 80% of the time here.

toss · #10 08-19-2005, 02:57 AM

I still think the pots big enough to warrant a call down like you did.