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Re: Protecting my overpair
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True. I think that in general, I need to fold more on the turn to a raise, particularly a check raise. Thanks for the advice and illustration. I don't play 5/10 much, but at 3/6 I would expect KK-AA about 80% of the time here. [/ QUOTE ] Without doing the math, let me just say that if it's only 80% (we should throw QQ in there, though), I think you should continue. And 5/10 isn't 3/6. I've learned that much. I may not have learned how to adjust yet, but I have learned they're not the same game. |
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Re: Protecting my overpair
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I would expect KK-AA about 80% of the time here. [/ QUOTE ] If that's the case, you should call down since you're getting 15:2 to call down. But I think, especially throwing QQ in there, we're a loser 90% of the time. |
#13
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Re: Protecting my overpair
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If this were 3/6, I'd say that your opponent has KK or AA for sure. But it's 5/10 so he could have a lot of hands that you beat (77+, AK, AQ, AJ) [/ QUOTE ] People will raise the turn in this situation with AJ at 5/10? [censored] that [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] |
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Re: Protecting my overpair
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Sure, sometimes he has TT, but the vast majority he has QQ-AA, and it's -EV to call down 2 more and find out. Regardless of results, I -- and all of you -- should fold to the turn raise here. [/ QUOTE ] If you believe TT is possible(which I would and maybe more hands you can beat) than I don't see how it can be -EV to call down. That should put you at 25% chance to win. |
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If this were 3/6, I'd say that your opponent has KK or AA for sure. But it's 5/10 so he could have a lot of hands that you beat (77+, AK, AQ, AJ) With no reads, I think you played it well. [/ QUOTE ] I think your range is too broad for no reads. After the PF cap we can rule out AJs/o, AQo,...hands like that. The turn raise kind of confirms it is a overpair, and I am assuming with no reads you have to give credit for at least TT. Depending upon the read I would fold this often. The more aggressive the opponent the more likely I am to call down. But there are many players I would laydown against. So not too cop out, but I need reads. But getting 7-1 against a player who just took a value extraction line on me after capping PF. |
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Re: Protecting my overpair
This is a case where the flop 3-bet helps you control how many bets get you to showdown as much as anything else. You play fast on the flop and basically make sure that you aren't spraying 4 BBs on the big streets, which, almost always means you lose unimproved.
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Re: Protecting my overpair
since mp2 likely has a higher overpair I c/c the turn and river, your not protecting anymore, its HU.
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Re: Protecting my overpair
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since mp2 likely has a higher overpair I c/c the turn and river, your not protecting anymore, its HU. [/ QUOTE ] 3-betting the flop and checking the turn to give 6 outers a free river is very bad poker. |
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Re: Protecting my overpair
I recant I bet/fold the turn.
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Re: Protecting my overpair
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I recant I bet/fold the turn. [/ QUOTE ] That might be worse. |
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