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11-12-2005, 10:31 AM
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1. What is the official rule for someone who leaves a table in the middle of a tournament for a long period of time?
Is there an official rule or does it vary from tournament to tournament. The general one i seem to hear is that if a player is missing for 3 full rounds of the button then the dealer calls the big blind for every hand with his chips until he is dead. The only problem I find is that they only have to come back for one hand and then leave again. IRRITATING. 2. What is the official rule when a card is turned over on the second round of the deal and you have to replace that card with another? I've heard a few theories. The one i've always played was that you give everyone the cards they would have got then you take the turned over card and use that as your first burn card......Then you give the player the top card from the deck........But some people tell me its the 5th card from the top, then some people tell me its the third from the bottom. see what i mean? 3. What is the official rule of players not being at the table when the dealer deals? I've heard that when the dealer finishes dealing if the player is not sitting in his seat then his cards are dead, but i've also heard the cards can be left on the table until that player has to act. Officially these rules may vary because it is up to the house to enforce the rules but i'd like to know if any of these are solid Rules. 
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#2
11-12-2005, 10:58 AM
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Re: official
Probably a better fit in the Tourney forum but you may get some good answers because there are a lot of knowledgable people here. Unfortunetly, I ain't one of them.
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#3
11-12-2005, 01:42 PM
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Re: official
[ QUOTE ]
1. What is the official rule for someone who leaves a table in the middle of a tournament for a long period of time? Is there an official rule or does it vary from tournament to tournament. The general one i seem to hear is that if a player is missing for 3 full rounds of the button then the dealer calls the big blind for every hand with his chips until he is dead. The only problem I find is that they only have to come back for one hand and then leave again. IRRITATING. [/ QUOTE ] In most tournaments you can be away as long as you like. Your blinds will be posted when its your turn to post one, not in every hand. [ QUOTE ] 2. What is the official rule when a card is turned over on the second round of the deal and you have to replace that card with another? I've heard a few theories. The one i've always played was that you give everyone the cards they would have got then you take the turned over card and use that as your first burn card......Then you give the player the top card from the deck........But some people tell me its the 5th card from the top, then some people tell me its the third from the bottom. see what i mean? [/ QUOTE ] The first way(replace the turned card with burn card) is the correct and most common way. [ QUOTE ] 3. What is the official rule of players not being at the table when the dealer deals? I've heard that when the dealer finishes dealing if the player is not sitting in his seat then his cards are dead, but i've also heard the cards can be left on the table until that player has to act. [/ QUOTE ] Both ways are in use. I cant say which one is more common. I like the first one better.
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#4
11-12-2005, 03:06 PM
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Re: official
1. The player's blinds are posted and cards forfeited (cannot check on BB, the player must fold).
2. The deal continues and the player is given the first burn card, and the revealed card is used as the first burn card. 3. In tournaments, I believe the hand is still dealt and autofolded when action reaches the player. In ring games, the player does not receive cards. If the dealer makes an error and the player receives cards, and the placement of cards cannot be corrected, then the player's hand is mucked immediately after the deal is complete.
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#5
11-12-2005, 04:50 PM
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Re: official
Bottom line is a room by room thing... There is not one rule for tournaments that is followed by all rooms.
As a general rule... 1) You can leave the table for as long as you want. Your ante/blinds will be posted in turn and the hand folded before action. 2) Well have excellent responses already. 3) Most rooms I have played in have the rule that if you are not in your seat, sitting not standing or with a knee in the seat, when the last card is pitched, your hand is dead.
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#6
11-12-2005, 05:22 PM
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Re: official
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3. In tournaments, I believe the hand is still dealt and autofolded when action reaches the player. In ring games, the player does not receive cards. If the dealer makes an error and the player receives cards, and the placement of cards cannot be corrected, then the player's hand is mucked immediately after the deal is complete. [/ QUOTE ] This is not correct regarding a live game. In a live game with a blind structure (Hold'em, Omaha), if a player has paid his blinds and has chips on the table, cards are dealt to that players spot until the blinds come around. At that point, the player is no longer dealt in (and will have to post or wait for the blind when they return). In an ante game (stud), a player away from the table is not dealt in.
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#7
11-12-2005, 05:24 PM
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Re: official
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] 3. In tournaments, I believe the hand is still dealt and autofolded when action reaches the player. In ring games, the player does not receive cards. If the dealer makes an error and the player receives cards, and the placement of cards cannot be corrected, then the player's hand is mucked immediately after the deal is complete. [/ QUOTE ] This is not correct regarding a live game. In a live game with a blind structure (Hold'em, Omaha), if a player has paid his blinds and has chips on the table, cards are dealt to that players spot until the blinds come around. At that point, the player is no longer dealt in (and will have to post or wait for the blind when they return). In an ante game (stud), a player away from the table is not dealt in. [/ QUOTE ] I have never seen this in a blind game.
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#8
11-12-2005, 05:55 PM
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Re: official
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] 3. In tournaments, I believe the hand is still dealt and autofolded when action reaches the player. In ring games, the player does not receive cards. If the dealer makes an error and the player receives cards, and the placement of cards cannot be corrected, then the player's hand is mucked immediately after the deal is complete. [/ QUOTE ] This is not correct regarding a live game. In a live game with a blind structure (Hold'em, Omaha), if a player has paid his blinds and has chips on the table, cards are dealt to that players spot until the blinds come around. At that point, the player is no longer dealt in (and will have to post or wait for the blind when they return). In an ante game (stud), a player away from the table is not dealt in. [/ QUOTE ] This is more common in poker only establishments. Many years ago Linda Johnson and someone else wrote a nice article about the pros and cons of this rule.
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#9
11-12-2005, 07:12 PM
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Re: official
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] 3. In tournaments, I believe the hand is still dealt and autofolded when action reaches the player. In ring games, the player does not receive cards. If the dealer makes an error and the player receives cards, and the placement of cards cannot be corrected, then the player's hand is mucked immediately after the deal is complete. [/ QUOTE ] This is not correct regarding a live game. In a live game with a blind structure (Hold'em, Omaha), if a player has paid his blinds and has chips on the table, cards are dealt to that players spot until the blinds come around. At that point, the player is no longer dealt in (and will have to post or wait for the blind when they return). In an ante game (stud), a player away from the table is not dealt in. [/ QUOTE ] This is more common in poker only establishments. Many years ago Linda Johnson and someone else wrote a nice article about the pros and cons of this rule. [/ QUOTE ] Could be. I have only played in "poker only establishments" in the last year... I forget what they do in casinos.
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#10
11-12-2005, 07:29 PM
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Re: official
I kind of feel the urge to give my two cents about question 3 simply because there were conflicting answers posted after a fairly clear one was given at the start.
My experience is with ring games. What happens when players are away from the table varies from room to room. In one casino here, players are not dealt in if the dealer dosen't see them after a quick glance around. They have until their turn to act. In another, players are dealt in until their blinds, and have until their turn to act. In yet another, the previous rule used to be followed, but now players are still dealt in and their hands are mucked if they were not seated at the time. One casino also tried for a time to say that players must be on a chair to receive cards at all. In all situations, if a player is accidentally dealt cards when it is not house poicy do to so, they are mucked as soon as the deal is complete.
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