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Old 12-28-2005, 08:32 AM
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Default This standard?

Is it possible this is a bluff with a lone T? Don't have much of a read yet.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (4.00 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls, CO folds, SB folds.

Turn: (3.00 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls.

River: (5.00 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 8.00 BB.
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Old 12-28-2005, 08:58 AM
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Default Re: This standard?

well, can't say for sure without much of a read, but at 1/2 yeah i think it's a good fold.
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Old 12-28-2005, 09:08 AM
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why not call? he's giving you 6:1. let's take a look at possible hands:

AQ is unlikely (he would have raised preflop)
Q9s unlikely (he would probably have raised the flop)
Q9 unlikely (or he's an idiot)
KJ, K8, J8 makes some sense (he's been slowplaying but many players would have raised earlier)
KT makes some sense (but he should have raised flop)
JT, T8 most probable holdings (then he's been lucky)
AT should have raised preflop (flopped an overcard and a gutshot)
two diamonds makes sense (he just called the flop to get some more people to the turn)
QT and T9 should have raised flop and probably preflop
or he's Bluffing which actually occurs

you beat AT, QT, T9, Two diamonds and a bluff
you lose against AQ, Q9, KJ, K8, KT, J8, JT, T8 and of course slowplayed sets and three T.

you're probably beaten but the odds is still 6:1. and if you lose you may get some interesting info about this guy.
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Old 12-28-2005, 11:48 AM
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Q9s unlikely (he would probably have raised the flop)
AT should have raised preflop (flopped an overcard and a gutshot)
QT and T9 should have raised flop and probably preflop

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what?
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Old 12-28-2005, 01:07 PM
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please let me know your objections. nice pic by the way.
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Old 12-28-2005, 01:12 PM
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please let me know your objections. nice pic by the way.

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1. these players don't play like 2+2ers
2. some of the stuff you said he "should" do is just wrong
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Old 12-28-2005, 09:24 AM
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good fold - at 1-2 you are good here almost never barring a specific read.
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Old 12-28-2005, 10:16 AM
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I'm afraid I'd have to call, even with a very good chance I'm beat.

I think that's one of my leaks, though. I have a hard time bet/folding the river without a read, especially when I have top pair.
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Old 12-28-2005, 01:10 PM
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Standard IMO. You need a really strong read to call this.
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